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Well then where are all the "vocational" CS programs at universities?

by Danihan 9y ago

kingkawn 9y ago
Coding Boot camps
- AnimalMuppet 9y ago
  ... which are not at universities.
  - inopinatus 9y ago
    And will also not prepare you for a job in computer science.
    - enraged_camel 9y ago
      They might prepare you for an intro-level job in software development though, if you actually continue learning things and honing your skills after completing them.
      - djellybeans 9y ago
        For what it's worth, these bootcamps are the current "trade schools" for software jobs where the barrier to entry is lower. They're accelerated programs that use job placement as a strong selling point. It's almost like they rose from the death of many for-profit technical schools (DeVry, WestWood et al.) and took their ecological niche. But in contrast to bootcamps, these for-profit schools were too big, slow, and ineffective.
sharemywin 9y ago
in the business college.
AYBABTME 9y ago
Canada has ‘software engineering’ degrees which are essentially vocational CS degrees.
- kat 9y ago
  To add to this, Canadian Universities also have co-op programs. You don't have to have an engineering degree to get a co-op job. The student gets paid well over minimum wage (and learns on the job) and the employers get financial incentives from the gov't to hire students. Its win-win for both the student and the employer.
  - dharness 9y ago
    Software Engineering at Canadian universities does not contain a dramatically different level of vocational training (with the exception of Waterloo). Co-op programs are optional, and take place in the summer or in a gap year. The affiliation of companies hosting co-ops is loose, and the schools charge large fees for participating in these programs (with the exception of Waterloo). Speaking from personal experience, results may vary.
- jholman 9y ago
  Which Canadian schools have software engineering degrees which are vocational? Note that my degree is from a well-reputed Canadian school that has a "software engineering specialization", and as far as I can tell (though I did not take it) that specialization is indistinguishable from the main CS curriculum, and is not valid vocational training.
rhizome 9y ago
Medical and Law schools are postgraduate.
- maccard 9y ago
  In some places. In Ireland, law is a normal undergraduate degree with some extra vocational training after you graduate. Medicine is an undergraduate (5 year) programme, during which quite a lot is vocational - students spend multiple months in hospitals during that period, and when they graduate they are still considered as training.

Well then where are all the "vocational" CS programs at universities?

kingkawn 9y ago

Coding Boot camps

AnimalMuppet 9y ago
... which are not at universities.
- inopinatus 9y ago
  And will also not prepare you for a job in computer science.
  - enraged_camel 9y ago
    They might prepare you for an intro-level job in software development though, if you actually continue learning things and honing your skills after completing them.
    - djellybeans 9y ago
      For what it's worth, these bootcamps are the current "trade schools" for software jobs where the barrier to entry is lower. They're accelerated programs that use job placement as a strong selling point. It's almost like they rose from the death of many for-profit technical schools (DeVry, WestWood et al.) and took their ecological niche. But in contrast to bootcamps, these for-profit schools were too big, slow, and ineffective.

sharemywin 9y ago

in the business college.

AYBABTME 9y ago

Canada has ‘software engineering’ degrees which are essentially vocational CS degrees.

kat 9y ago
To add to this, Canadian Universities also have co-op programs. You don't have to have an engineering degree to get a co-op job. The student gets paid well over minimum wage (and learns on the job) and the employers get financial incentives from the gov't to hire students. Its win-win for both the student and the employer.
- dharness 9y ago
  Software Engineering at Canadian universities does not contain a dramatically different level of vocational training (with the exception of Waterloo). Co-op programs are optional, and take place in the summer or in a gap year. The affiliation of companies hosting co-ops is loose, and the schools charge large fees for participating in these programs (with the exception of Waterloo). Speaking from personal experience, results may vary.
jholman 9y ago
Which Canadian schools have software engineering degrees which are vocational? Note that my degree is from a well-reputed Canadian school that has a "software engineering specialization", and as far as I can tell (though I did not take it) that specialization is indistinguishable from the main CS curriculum, and is not valid vocational training.

rhizome 9y ago

Medical and Law schools are postgraduate.

maccard 9y ago
In some places. In Ireland, law is a normal undergraduate degree with some extra vocational training after you graduate. Medicine is an undergraduate (5 year) programme, during which quite a lot is vocational - students spend multiple months in hospitals during that period, and when they graduate they are still considered as training.