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Jesus, what's wrong with these men?!

by epx 9y ago

krapp 9y ago
Society often encourages and rewards sexual aggression and dominance in successful men - such behavior is symbolic of their status and virility, and has been since the days when sultans collected women in harems. Society is just an abstraction of primate hierarchies built on violence and sex with a thin veneer of civility applied, not that that excuses anything. But the point is, this behavior isn't unusual. It's valid to ask what's wrong with these men, but you should also ask what's wrong with cultures which reinforce predatory masculinity and allow it to propagate.
- epx 9y ago
  I mean, being rich and powerful already makes a whole lot easier for a man to conquest women (and vice-versa), I don't like it but that's the way it is - just riding a better car creates a lot of opportunities like I have myself experimented - so why bother forcing your way?
  - indubitable 9y ago
    I would imagine the situation for many of these people is not as great as you're framing it. For the most part the accused have been unusually physically unattractive and to say their personalities don't make up for it would be quite the understatement. So they have a situation where if somebody is interested in them it's almost certainly because they're interested in their money. And if they hide their wealth from people - then nobody would be any more interested in them than your average aging unattractive individual. So sure they can get laid by prostitutes and gold diggers, but that in many ways has to be incredibly emasculating. Imagine how awful it must be to know that if somebody shows interest in you, that they're probably lying to you and just after your money. The wife of Weinstein was a head and shoulders commercial girl. George Clooney's wife is a high profile lawyer whose clients include Julian Assange, the former PM of Ukraine, etc. Anecdotal, but there are plenty of very attractive and charismatic wealthy individuals. Yet, at least for now, it seems like they're not the ones engaged in this behavior. And there I would imagine it's because your stereotyping holds much more true.
  - krapp 9y ago
    >so why bother forcing your way? Possibly because you believe your power and position makes you entitled, or because you lack self control. Or possibly because you don't understand personal boundaries or don't respect them in people under your status.

Jesus, what's wrong with these men?!

by epx 9y ago

Jesus, what's wrong with these men?!

Society often encourages and rewards sexual aggression and dominance in successful men - such behavior is symbolic of their status and virility, and has been since the days when sultans collected women in harems. Society is just an abstraction of primate hierarchies built on violence and sex with a thin veneer of civility applied, not that that excuses anything. But the point is, this behavior isn't unusual. It's valid to ask what's wrong with these men, but you should also ask what's wrong with cultures which reinforce predatory masculinity and allow it to propagate.

epx 9y ago
I mean, being rich and powerful already makes a whole lot easier for a man to conquest women (and vice-versa), I don't like it but that's the way it is - just riding a better car creates a lot of opportunities like I have myself experimented - so why bother forcing your way?
- indubitable 9y ago
  I would imagine the situation for many of these people is not as great as you're framing it. For the most part the accused have been unusually physically unattractive and to say their personalities don't make up for it would be quite the understatement. So they have a situation where if somebody is interested in them it's almost certainly because they're interested in their money. And if they hide their wealth from people - then nobody would be any more interested in them than your average aging unattractive individual. So sure they can get laid by prostitutes and gold diggers, but that in many ways has to be incredibly emasculating. Imagine how awful it must be to know that if somebody shows interest in you, that they're probably lying to you and just after your money. The wife of Weinstein was a head and shoulders commercial girl. George Clooney's wife is a high profile lawyer whose clients include Julian Assange, the former PM of Ukraine, etc. Anecdotal, but there are plenty of very attractive and charismatic wealthy individuals. Yet, at least for now, it seems like they're not the ones engaged in this behavior. And there I would imagine it's because your stereotyping holds much more true.
- krapp 9y ago
  >so why bother forcing your way? Possibly because you believe your power and position makes you entitled, or because you lack self control. Or possibly because you don't understand personal boundaries or don't respect them in people under your status.