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> Nearly all of the people tossed out of their jobs for these claims fessed up to being creeps. I agree, as far as we know this is what has been happening. An

> Nearly all of the people tossed out of their jobs for these claims fessed up to being creeps. I agree, as far as we know this is what has been happening. An exception being Roy Moore, as far as I know he has stridently denied the accusations made against him. I do think GP has identified a slippery slope. Not everyone is honorable and some people will start to get the idea that they can take down a boss they don't like by simply leveling a sexual assault charge. If in today's climate there is a presumption of guilt rather than innocence, or even an attitude "easier to fire him than deal with an investigation" then pray you're never on the wrong side of that scenario.

tomp 9y ago
I expect many powerful men to adopt Mike Pence's philosophy - never being alone with a woman unless it's his wife - to manage the risk of (potentially fake) accusations.
- pjc50 9y ago
  As various people have pointed out on twitter, that way reconstructs the "boy's club"; it becomes impossible for women to access the necessary social networks to climb in some careers if they can't have meetings that men can.
- crankylinuxuser 9y ago
  Well, yeah. Hell, and there a ton of craziness that goes on in the dating scene. If I was still dating, I'd record with my phone, to prove "No, (s)he did consent. Here's the proof." The opposite of this, is fighting off a potential rape allegation. That scares the living fuck out of me, since a buddy had that happen. But maybe there's a case for a device that records, in a sealed storage. Think of it as insurance on claims of wrongdoing. I've also been sexually harassed by a manager (I'm a guy, manager was a woman). Worked at a subway. She grabbed my ass deep enough she fondled my testicles. Turns out the district manager came in the back door. Fired her on the spot. Makes me a weird exception, in that it was female doing to male subordinate, and it was solved.
matt4077 9y ago
The conjecture that you can easily take down someone with a false accusation is disproven by the fact that every single case I've heard of has involved multiple accusers, photographic evidence, and/or admissions by the perpetrators. It's widely reported that, for example, the Washington Post ran an in-depth investigation into one accuser of Roy Moore, and found out she was lying to discredit their reporting. They did this due diligence even after every sane person was already convinced that Roy Moore was a creep. So, presumably, they would have had more reason to believe her than anyone accusing someone previously not connected to such allegations.
mcguire 9y ago
Moore is a special case. He was removed from the bench for failing to follow the law. Twice.

tomp 9y ago

I expect many powerful men to adopt Mike Pence's philosophy - never being alone with a woman unless it's his wife - to manage the risk of (potentially fake) accusations.

pjc50 9y ago
As various people have pointed out on twitter, that way reconstructs the "boy's club"; it becomes impossible for women to access the necessary social networks to climb in some careers if they can't have meetings that men can.
crankylinuxuser 9y ago
Well, yeah. Hell, and there a ton of craziness that goes on in the dating scene. If I was still dating, I'd record with my phone, to prove "No, (s)he did consent. Here's the proof." The opposite of this, is fighting off a potential rape allegation. That scares the living fuck out of me, since a buddy had that happen. But maybe there's a case for a device that records, in a sealed storage. Think of it as insurance on claims of wrongdoing. I've also been sexually harassed by a manager (I'm a guy, manager was a woman). Worked at a subway. She grabbed my ass deep enough she fondled my testicles. Turns out the district manager came in the back door. Fired her on the spot. Makes me a weird exception, in that it was female doing to male subordinate, and it was solved.

matt4077 9y ago

The conjecture that you can easily take down someone with a false accusation is disproven by the fact that every single case I've heard of has involved multiple accusers, photographic evidence, and/or admissions by the perpetrators. It's widely reported that, for example, the Washington Post ran an in-depth investigation into one accuser of Roy Moore, and found out she was lying to discredit their reporting. They did this due diligence even after every sane person was already convinced that Roy Moore was a creep. So, presumably, they would have had more reason to believe her than anyone accusing someone previously not connected to such allegations.

mcguire 9y ago

Moore is a special case. He was removed from the bench for failing to follow the law. Twice.