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> I've been using iPhone because IMO it's a more secure device than the alternative. There are some alternatives that are absolutely more secure. Now the trade

> I've been using iPhone because IMO it's a more secure device than the alternative. There are some alternatives that are absolutely more secure. Now the trade off might not what you want, but the iPhone and iOS isn't the most secure smart phone available. https://www.silentcircle.com/products-and-solutions/devices/ https://www.silentcircle.com/products-and-solutions/devices/

wyager 9y ago
> There are some alternatives that are absolutely more secure Probably, but silent circle isn’t one of them. Silent circle is just a generic Chinese android phone without carrier bloatware. Instead, they ship a bunch of their own bloatware. They haven’t really made any fundamental improvements to security over what you can get with any other rootable android phone. iOS has a generally much stronger hardware security model than Android, although it’s not perfect either, especially given that it’s closed source and not auditable. I’m hopeful that Purism’s librem 5 cell phone will represent a substantive improvement in smartphone security. Runs standard Linux, isolated baseband, hardware kill switches, etc.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 9y ago
I would say CopperheadOS - https://copperhead.co/android/ https://copperhead.co/android/
X86BSD 9y ago
Yeah that phone is so NOT secure. Like horribly not secure. I blame google/android. See: https://charlescarrollsociety.com/2016/01/22/silentcircle-blackphone2-review-privacy-from-whom-part-1/ https://charlescarrollsociety.com/2016/01/22/silentcircle-bl... Things have not gotten better. So no, there are not alternatives that are “absolutely more secure.”
- kllrnohj 9y ago
  That link is about privacy, not security, and horribly misunderstands some fundamental basics. Like that you can disable google applications just fine. Sure you have to trust the OS to actually disable like it says it will, but you also have to trust that iOS does what Apple says it does, too. But you don't have to trust anything Google on that phone. I think the phone is silly for other reasons, but that link is nonsense and largely unrelated to the discussion at hand.
juhanima 9y ago
Bittium's ToughMobile has some special hardware and a government certification (KATAKRI) to be used as a container of classified information. Finnish Defence Forces just bought a bunch of them. https://www.bittium.com/BittiumToughMobile https://www.bittium.com/BittiumToughMobile It also comes with its own Secure Suite MDM and is not tied to any unwanted third party. It's quite expensive, though, and I have no first-hand experience of it. Just talked with some Bittium guys recently. Lots of former Nokians working there.

wyager 9y ago

> There are some alternatives that are absolutely more secure Probably, but silent circle isn’t one of them. Silent circle is just a generic Chinese android phone without carrier bloatware. Instead, they ship a bunch of their own bloatware. They haven’t really made any fundamental improvements to security over what you can get with any other rootable android phone. iOS has a generally much stronger hardware security model than Android, although it’s not perfect either, especially given that it’s closed source and not auditable. I’m hopeful that Purism’s librem 5 cell phone will represent a substantive improvement in smartphone security. Runs standard Linux, isolated baseband, hardware kill switches, etc.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 9y ago

I would say CopperheadOS - https://copperhead.co/android/ https://copperhead.co/android/

X86BSD 9y ago

Yeah that phone is so NOT secure. Like horribly not secure. I blame google/android. See: https://charlescarrollsociety.com/2016/01/22/silentcircle-blackphone2-review-privacy-from-whom-part-1/ https://charlescarrollsociety.com/2016/01/22/silentcircle-bl... Things have not gotten better. So no, there are not alternatives that are “absolutely more secure.”

kllrnohj 9y ago
That link is about privacy, not security, and horribly misunderstands some fundamental basics. Like that you can disable google applications just fine. Sure you have to trust the OS to actually disable like it says it will, but you also have to trust that iOS does what Apple says it does, too. But you don't have to trust anything Google on that phone. I think the phone is silly for other reasons, but that link is nonsense and largely unrelated to the discussion at hand.

juhanima 9y ago

Bittium's ToughMobile has some special hardware and a government certification (KATAKRI) to be used as a container of classified information. Finnish Defence Forces just bought a bunch of them. https://www.bittium.com/BittiumToughMobile https://www.bittium.com/BittiumToughMobile It also comes with its own Secure Suite MDM and is not tied to any unwanted third party. It's quite expensive, though, and I have no first-hand experience of it. Just talked with some Bittium guys recently. Lots of former Nokians working there.