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I used to be obsessed with this 2009 NYTimes profile about him and read it several times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/technology/companies/26hp.html http:

by talbina 16y ago

I used to be obsessed with this 2009 NYTimes profile about him and read it several times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/technology/companies/26hp.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/technology/companies/26hp.... Not anymore.

todayiamme 16y ago
As someone who has faced different forms of abuse, including sexual abuse. I would ask people not to judge anyone on the basis of sparse information or their mistakes. We don't even know what happened over here, and I think that nobody is in a position to comment on/judge either party involved. It's just too complicated. On the other hand, the amazing thing is that HP still retains its core values and asked Mr. Hurd to resign even when they had the option of simply burying it. Even though Bill and Dave are long gone the spirit of their institution still survives. Simply Amazing. [edit: I am pretty sure that a lot of people will find this comment to be offensive, but think about it. Does judging a situation and the people involved as an outsider help anyone? In fact, it just makes it worse. On a more personal note, I don't want to be a victim of the cards I've been dealt. I would rather learn how to play the hand. I've learnt to see the silver lining, learn and just move on. It makes life easier to deal with. ]
- illumin8 16y ago
  I wouldn't be so quick to claim HP has any real values. Do you remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_spying_scandal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_spying_scandal The simple fact of the matter is that HP makes some decent servers and low cost storage that we buy a lot of. Unfortunately in recent years Mark Hurd has cut their support staff so thin, and outsourced most of it to Costa Rica, so that now when you need support on a server you're more likely to get someone speaking english as a second language that knows about enough to order a part # for you and have it shipped so you can replace it yourself. I guess for these "cost-cutting measures" Mark Hurd should be praised, or at least he has been praised in this business environment. I don't think he has particularly done anything brilliant other than accelerate the globalization and outsourcing of the tech industry as a whole.
- philwelch 16y ago
  "On the other hand, the amazing thing is that HP still retains its core values and asked Mr. Hurd to resign even when they had the option of simply burying it. Even though Bill and Dave are long gone the spirit of their institution still survives. Simply Amazing." The values that circle around not sleeping with your contractors, sure--but don't most companies have those values? The values that made HP a haven for engineers and a great company in the 20th century, a company people like Woz would have been happy to spend their entire careers working for? It sounds like those days are long past.
- chasing7 16y ago
  Hi, I am an ex HP and surely can confirm HP has lost its battle in winning the hearts and minds of its employees. 2008 recession, Mark Hurd took $52 million and later after 2 months declared 25% loss and eventually leading to firing spree, which in US also lead to one HP employee commiting suicide.. I bet this is not what Bill and Dave envisioned for HP. Employees hates the phony speech he gives to build up employee morale but reality is everyone hates him. No one knows why Mark is fired. Bad business deals or sexual harrassmenT. And given the mammoth size of HP, no one will know. Brand HP is somewhat a mirage, suferficial and very calous from inside. It's 21'st centuary, its all about packaging, no one cares whats inside anymore.. Every employee is saying one thing right now 'I dont care if Mark stays or goes'...
- po 16y ago
  We don't know details about the sexual harassment case and I wouldn't judge based on that, but that's not really what it was about. He admits to funneling company money to a close friend's consulting company… I think it's normal to lose respect for the guy.
macrael 16y ago
I saw Neil DeGrasse Tyson talk once and he said something along the lines of "assemble your role model from pieces of lots of different people". You can still admire the admirable things about this man even if he has failed in other ways.

by talbina 16y ago

todayiamme 16y ago

As someone who has faced different forms of abuse, including sexual abuse. I would ask people not to judge anyone on the basis of sparse information or their mistakes. We don't even know what happened over here, and I think that nobody is in a position to comment on/judge either party involved. It's just too complicated. On the other hand, the amazing thing is that HP still retains its core values and asked Mr. Hurd to resign even when they had the option of simply burying it. Even though Bill and Dave are long gone the spirit of their institution still survives. Simply Amazing. [edit: I am pretty sure that a lot of people will find this comment to be offensive, but think about it. Does judging a situation and the people involved as an outsider help anyone? In fact, it just makes it worse. On a more personal note, I don't want to be a victim of the cards I've been dealt. I would rather learn how to play the hand. I've learnt to see the silver lining, learn and just move on. It makes life easier to deal with. ]

illumin8 16y ago
I wouldn't be so quick to claim HP has any real values. Do you remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_spying_scandal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_spying_scandal The simple fact of the matter is that HP makes some decent servers and low cost storage that we buy a lot of. Unfortunately in recent years Mark Hurd has cut their support staff so thin, and outsourced most of it to Costa Rica, so that now when you need support on a server you're more likely to get someone speaking english as a second language that knows about enough to order a part # for you and have it shipped so you can replace it yourself. I guess for these "cost-cutting measures" Mark Hurd should be praised, or at least he has been praised in this business environment. I don't think he has particularly done anything brilliant other than accelerate the globalization and outsourcing of the tech industry as a whole.
philwelch 16y ago
"On the other hand, the amazing thing is that HP still retains its core values and asked Mr. Hurd to resign even when they had the option of simply burying it. Even though Bill and Dave are long gone the spirit of their institution still survives. Simply Amazing." The values that circle around not sleeping with your contractors, sure--but don't most companies have those values? The values that made HP a haven for engineers and a great company in the 20th century, a company people like Woz would have been happy to spend their entire careers working for? It sounds like those days are long past.
chasing7 16y ago
Hi, I am an ex HP and surely can confirm HP has lost its battle in winning the hearts and minds of its employees. 2008 recession, Mark Hurd took $52 million and later after 2 months declared 25% loss and eventually leading to firing spree, which in US also lead to one HP employee commiting suicide.. I bet this is not what Bill and Dave envisioned for HP. Employees hates the phony speech he gives to build up employee morale but reality is everyone hates him. No one knows why Mark is fired. Bad business deals or sexual harrassmenT. And given the mammoth size of HP, no one will know. Brand HP is somewhat a mirage, suferficial and very calous from inside. It's 21'st centuary, its all about packaging, no one cares whats inside anymore.. Every employee is saying one thing right now 'I dont care if Mark stays or goes'...
po 16y ago
We don't know details about the sexual harassment case and I wouldn't judge based on that, but that's not really what it was about. He admits to funneling company money to a close friend's consulting company… I think it's normal to lose respect for the guy.

macrael 16y ago

I saw Neil DeGrasse Tyson talk once and he said something along the lines of "assemble your role model from pieces of lots of different people". You can still admire the admirable things about this man even if he has failed in other ways.