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If it were really better, they wouldn't have to give it a deceptive name to get people to eat it.

ry_ry 9y ago
In the case of an analog, is that not as descriptive as it is deceptive? As long as it is also clearly marked meat-free I can't see there being a huge consumer confusion problem.
- YouAreGreat 9y ago
  Maybe sane people should fight back by marketing a new and very special kind of "veggie burger." Should be smooth sailing as long as they are listing those advanced meat recovery byproducts on the label, right?
  - ry_ry 9y ago
    Is that what this guy is doing, though? Are hardline carnivores actually being duped into buying products containing ingredients they actively avoid, by burying it in packaging smallprint? He seems pretty clear about the whole vegetarian thing tbh. Full disclosure: I like meat.
    - Turing_Machine 9y ago
      I know at least one person (not me) who accidentally bought some veggie crap that was labeled "Chick'n" thinking that it was actually chicken. Google turns up many instances of similar names being used for real chicken.
blunte 9y ago
"better" is a vague word and depends on your goals. Is a 3-wheeled car still a car? It does pretty much the same thing. Will people be confused as to whether it's a "real car" like the 4-wheel cars? No. Likewise, nobody is being fooled by this vegetarian meat. And seriously, given that it is more expensive than meat, the "average" person isn't going to accidentally buy vegetarian meat without realizing it. This is the usual protectionism a desperate industry that is already headed for (self) destruction. Whether it's a bird flu that causes the culling of millions of chickens (happens here in NL every few years), or the problem of having nowhere to put the enormous amounts of manure from the dairy and cow industry, or the problem of antibiotic restrictions, or so on and so on, the change is inevitable. True vegetarians don't really care too much about these products. They're quite expensive, and many of us have a particular love of good vegetables and cooking techniques. The meat is not really missed. But for new vegetarians or people who have been told by their doctors to shift their diets to less meat, these products are nice to have around.
- nicoburns 9y ago
  > True vegetarians don't really care too much about these products. That's not necessarily true. I've been vegetarian my entire life, and I'd be interested in such products. Probably not as an everyday thing like some eat meat, but certainly as an option to choose sometimes.
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  "True vegetarians don't really care too much about these products. They're quite expensive, and many of us have a particular love of good vegetables and cooking techniques. The meat is not really missed." Just because you've chosen to willfully deny yourself the flavor and texture of meaty goodness, that doesn't mean that other people don't still crave it, whether animal- or vegetable-sourced. And no, I do cook a lot of veggie dishes (my girlfriend is a strong proponent of traditional German veggie dishes) and every single one that has been touted as "so meaty and satisfying" has definitely been found lacking in that area.

In the case of an analog, is that not as descriptive as it is deceptive? As long as it is also clearly marked meat-free I can't see there being a huge consumer confusion problem.

YouAreGreat 9y ago
Maybe sane people should fight back by marketing a new and very special kind of "veggie burger." Should be smooth sailing as long as they are listing those advanced meat recovery byproducts on the label, right?
- ry_ry 9y ago
  Is that what this guy is doing, though? Are hardline carnivores actually being duped into buying products containing ingredients they actively avoid, by burying it in packaging smallprint? He seems pretty clear about the whole vegetarian thing tbh. Full disclosure: I like meat.
  - Turing_Machine 9y ago
    I know at least one person (not me) who accidentally bought some veggie crap that was labeled "Chick'n" thinking that it was actually chicken. Google turns up many instances of similar names being used for real chicken.

blunte 9y ago

"better" is a vague word and depends on your goals. Is a 3-wheeled car still a car? It does pretty much the same thing. Will people be confused as to whether it's a "real car" like the 4-wheel cars? No. Likewise, nobody is being fooled by this vegetarian meat. And seriously, given that it is more expensive than meat, the "average" person isn't going to accidentally buy vegetarian meat without realizing it. This is the usual protectionism a desperate industry that is already headed for (self) destruction. Whether it's a bird flu that causes the culling of millions of chickens (happens here in NL every few years), or the problem of having nowhere to put the enormous amounts of manure from the dairy and cow industry, or the problem of antibiotic restrictions, or so on and so on, the change is inevitable. True vegetarians don't really care too much about these products. They're quite expensive, and many of us have a particular love of good vegetables and cooking techniques. The meat is not really missed. But for new vegetarians or people who have been told by their doctors to shift their diets to less meat, these products are nice to have around.

nicoburns 9y ago
> True vegetarians don't really care too much about these products. That's not necessarily true. I've been vegetarian my entire life, and I'd be interested in such products. Probably not as an everyday thing like some eat meat, but certainly as an option to choose sometimes.
KozmoNau7 9y ago
"True vegetarians don't really care too much about these products. They're quite expensive, and many of us have a particular love of good vegetables and cooking techniques. The meat is not really missed." Just because you've chosen to willfully deny yourself the flavor and texture of meaty goodness, that doesn't mean that other people don't still crave it, whether animal- or vegetable-sourced. And no, I do cook a lot of veggie dishes (my girlfriend is a strong proponent of traditional German veggie dishes) and every single one that has been touted as "so meaty and satisfying" has definitely been found lacking in that area.