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I've been ruminating over how to use Tensorflow to recongize squirrels on my birdfeeder on a Raspberry Pi, and hook up something to activate a squirt gun. Now t

by ralphc 9y ago

I've been ruminating over how to use Tensorflow to recongize squirrels on my birdfeeder on a Raspberry Pi, and hook up something to activate a squirt gun. Now the squirrels don't stand a chance.

andrei_says_ 9y ago
Makes me wonder what the military is doing with these technologies. And a bit afraid to think about their versions of “squirrel” and “squirt gun”
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  There are already military versions of what you fear in production today that track motion.
  - jcun4128 9y ago
    I found it! Samsung SGR-A1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azQzwI9-GHU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azQzwI9-GHU Skip to 0:40 for human tracking demo
  - girvo 9y ago
    Should see the autonomous boats that work together as a swarm. Stuff is super cool/scary!
- golergka 9y ago
  Why people think that AI with a gun more scarier than a soldier with a gun, I would never understand. Remember a video where helicopter shot reporters because their cameras looked like an RPG? A soldier with a gun, when facing an uncertain situation with where he or his friends risk death, will weigh heavily on the "caution" side, shooting on everything that moves. AI with a gun, however, can accept it's death as an acceptable outcome in a similar situation.
  - chrisan 9y ago
    Sure both can happen. I think the real fear is an army of AI bots gone wrong. I don't think we've had an army of humans turn on each other. Humans will always make mistakes, and not that two humans can't make the same mistake, but each mistake is individual. A bunch bots stamped with the same code using the same hardware will be capable of making the same mistake for each bot due to the same bug.
    - jon-wood 9y ago
      > I don't think we've had an army of humans turn on each other. It happened only last week in Zimbabwe. An army of humans designed to keep the ruling powers safe turned on them and takes over control, and it's hardly the first time.
    - cyberfart 9y ago
      You clearly need to enable cloud auto-updates, duh.
    - golergka 9y ago
      > A bunch bots stamped with the same code using the same hardware will be capable of making the same mistake for each bot due to the same bug. It's only true for the current, logic-style programming. I don't think it will hold for neural network-based decision systems.
  - UweSchmidt 9y ago
    If a human being does the shooting there is a human element involved - someone to surrender to, a possibility for mercy, a chance at accountability at a court, someone to write a book about what happened 20 years later. All of those things are important, but none of them are a priority for the people who have the "AI with a gun" programmed.
    - golergka 9y ago
      > none of them are a priority for the people who have the "AI with a gun" programmed Aren't they, really? Why do you think so? Soldiers have exactly the same incentives as designers and engineers of those devices: accepting enemy's surrender can be a rational tactical choice (so that more of them surrender instead of fighting to the end), they are just as accountable in the eyes of law (which may be important to them or not - exactly the same as the usual soldiers), etc. The only difference is, AI will make choices rationally and less influences by emotions of the battlefield. Do you really think then net result of average soldier's emotions brings him closer to "merciful"? As far as I can tell, it's the opposite - most powerful emotion on the battlefield is usually fear, and it doesn't make people merciful at all.
- michaelbuckbee 9y ago
  And the problems of adversarial images - https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/2/16597276/google-ai-image-attacks-adversarial-turtle-rifle-3d-printed https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/2/16597276/google-ai-image-...
windexh8er 9y ago
While old it's been done: http://www.i-programmer.info/news/105-artificial-intelligence/3968-militarizing-your-backyard-with-python-and-ai.html http://www.i-programmer.info/news/105-artificial-intelligenc...
KaiserPro 9y ago
you can use my pre-trained model: https://github.com/secretbatcave/Uk-Bird-Classifier https://github.com/secretbatcave/Uk-Bird-Classifier whilst the majority of the objects it can classify are bird, it does know what cats and squrrells are.

by ralphc 9y ago

I've been ruminating over how to use Tensorflow to recongize squirrels on my birdfeeder on a Raspberry Pi, and hook up something to activate a squirt gun. Now the squirrels don't stand a chance.

andrei_says_ 9y ago

Makes me wonder what the military is doing with these technologies. And a bit afraid to think about their versions of “squirrel” and “squirt gun”

toomuchtodo 9y ago
There are already military versions of what you fear in production today that track motion.
- jcun4128 9y ago
  I found it! Samsung SGR-A1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azQzwI9-GHU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azQzwI9-GHU Skip to 0:40 for human tracking demo
- girvo 9y ago
  Should see the autonomous boats that work together as a swarm. Stuff is super cool/scary!
golergka 9y ago
Why people think that AI with a gun more scarier than a soldier with a gun, I would never understand. Remember a video where helicopter shot reporters because their cameras looked like an RPG? A soldier with a gun, when facing an uncertain situation with where he or his friends risk death, will weigh heavily on the "caution" side, shooting on everything that moves. AI with a gun, however, can accept it's death as an acceptable outcome in a similar situation.
- chrisan 9y ago
  Sure both can happen. I think the real fear is an army of AI bots gone wrong. I don't think we've had an army of humans turn on each other. Humans will always make mistakes, and not that two humans can't make the same mistake, but each mistake is individual. A bunch bots stamped with the same code using the same hardware will be capable of making the same mistake for each bot due to the same bug.
  - jon-wood 9y ago
    > I don't think we've had an army of humans turn on each other. It happened only last week in Zimbabwe. An army of humans designed to keep the ruling powers safe turned on them and takes over control, and it's hardly the first time.
  - cyberfart 9y ago
    You clearly need to enable cloud auto-updates, duh.
  - golergka 9y ago
    > A bunch bots stamped with the same code using the same hardware will be capable of making the same mistake for each bot due to the same bug. It's only true for the current, logic-style programming. I don't think it will hold for neural network-based decision systems.
- UweSchmidt 9y ago
  If a human being does the shooting there is a human element involved - someone to surrender to, a possibility for mercy, a chance at accountability at a court, someone to write a book about what happened 20 years later. All of those things are important, but none of them are a priority for the people who have the "AI with a gun" programmed.
  - golergka 9y ago
    > none of them are a priority for the people who have the "AI with a gun" programmed Aren't they, really? Why do you think so? Soldiers have exactly the same incentives as designers and engineers of those devices: accepting enemy's surrender can be a rational tactical choice (so that more of them surrender instead of fighting to the end), they are just as accountable in the eyes of law (which may be important to them or not - exactly the same as the usual soldiers), etc. The only difference is, AI will make choices rationally and less influences by emotions of the battlefield. Do you really think then net result of average soldier's emotions brings him closer to "merciful"? As far as I can tell, it's the opposite - most powerful emotion on the battlefield is usually fear, and it doesn't make people merciful at all.
michaelbuckbee 9y ago
And the problems of adversarial images - https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/2/16597276/google-ai-image-attacks-adversarial-turtle-rifle-3d-printed https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/2/16597276/google-ai-image-...

windexh8er 9y ago

While old it's been done: http://www.i-programmer.info/news/105-artificial-intelligence/3968-militarizing-your-backyard-with-python-and-ai.html http://www.i-programmer.info/news/105-artificial-intelligenc...

KaiserPro 9y ago

you can use my pre-trained model: https://github.com/secretbatcave/Uk-Bird-Classifier https://github.com/secretbatcave/Uk-Bird-Classifier whilst the majority of the objects it can classify are bird, it does know what cats and squrrells are.