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NSA Secretly Helped Convict Defendants in U.S. Courts

24 points by etiam 9y ago

zaphirplane 9y ago
Fear not, It’s ok to comment
willstrafach 9y ago
For those who like to skip to the new source documents themselves (Warning: TS/SI): - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310977/SSO-Weekly-Brief-25-April-2013-Excerpt.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310977/SSO-Weekl... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310982/FISA-Guide.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310982/FISA-Guid... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310975/PINWALE-Slides.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310975/PINWALE-S... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310979/U-RE-EHSANUL-SADEQUEE-FISA-REQUEST.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310979/U-RE-EHSA... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310980/2008-05-16-SIDToday-Perseverance-Pays-Off.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310980/2008-05-1... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310976/2010-03-11-SIDToday-2009-a-Watershed-Year-in-the.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310976/2010-03-1... These are listed at the end anyway, but a few they listed are a re-up of already released material.
londons_explore 9y ago
There is already solid evidence of this in the public realm. Nothing is being done about it, nor will anything be done about it. I don't really know why people keep leaking/revealing this stuff - nothing will change.
- guest 9y ago
  The reason? Moral? A logical sense? Rationality? Kants categorical imperative? The golden Rule? Everything changes every single moment, things will NEVER stay exactly the same. The reason people reach out and risk themselves is because they want to change it for the better. If there is no accountability in a fascist state it won't be too long before ppl aren't simply blackmailed with information collected by these big formal and informal interest groups, but made to disappear one way or the other. I'm more curious how you can ask such a question..? Read up on the "waves of democracy" if you can find it these days, systemic change happens through a wavepattern (imagine individuals as drops in a bathtub - if you drop one droplet of color into it not much will chance but the more droplets that you keep pouring in the more you'll notice it in the water...
bediger4000 9y ago
This is really un-American, on so many levels. I can't believe that anyone who took an oath to defend the US constitution would do this. At all.

24 points by etiam 9y ago

Fear not, It’s ok to comment

For those who like to skip to the new source documents themselves (Warning: TS/SI): - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310977/SSO-Weekly-Brief-25-April-2013-Excerpt.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310977/SSO-Weekl... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310982/FISA-Guide.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310982/FISA-Guid... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310975/PINWALE-Slides.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310975/PINWALE-S... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310979/U-RE-EHSANUL-SADEQUEE-FISA-REQUEST.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310979/U-RE-EHSA... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310980/2008-05-16-SIDToday-Perseverance-Pays-Off.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310980/2008-05-1... - https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310976/2010-03-11-SIDToday-2009-a-Watershed-Year-in-the.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4310976/2010-03-1... These are listed at the end anyway, but a few they listed are a re-up of already released material.

londons_explore 9y ago

There is already solid evidence of this in the public realm. Nothing is being done about it, nor will anything be done about it. I don't really know why people keep leaking/revealing this stuff - nothing will change.

guest 9y ago
The reason? Moral? A logical sense? Rationality? Kants categorical imperative? The golden Rule? Everything changes every single moment, things will NEVER stay exactly the same. The reason people reach out and risk themselves is because they want to change it for the better. If there is no accountability in a fascist state it won't be too long before ppl aren't simply blackmailed with information collected by these big formal and informal interest groups, but made to disappear one way or the other. I'm more curious how you can ask such a question..? Read up on the "waves of democracy" if you can find it these days, systemic change happens through a wavepattern (imagine individuals as drops in a bathtub - if you drop one droplet of color into it not much will chance but the more droplets that you keep pouring in the more you'll notice it in the water...

bediger4000 9y ago

This is really un-American, on so many levels. I can't believe that anyone who took an oath to defend the US constitution would do this. At all.