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>As a young teenager, Carrillo automatically became a U.S. citizen when his mother went through the naturalization process. As an adult, he had two serious run-

>As a young teenager, Carrillo automatically became a U.S. citizen when his mother went through the naturalization process. As an adult, he had two serious run-ins with law enforcement: a 2007 conviction for carrying a concealed weapon and another in 2011 for sending sexually explicit material to a minor, according to law enforcement records reviewed by The Times. >In the second case, Carrillo was sentenced to 240 days in jail and three years’ probation, the records show. In theory ICE could check this out, but sanctuary city policy is to not cooperate with ICE, so my guess is they did not have immediate access to this information. Given that this was an outlier case, I'm guessing the city would withhold the verification because most times it would show illegal status. Of course, it would make sense if all the enforcement agencies had synchronized data, but that seems like a pipe dream for an organization like the US gov.

couchand 9y ago
Cities are not responsible for naturalization.
guelo 9y ago
That's not how criminal records or sanctuary cities work.
Goronmon 9y ago
In theory ICE could check this out, but sanctuary city policy is to not cooperate with ICE, so my guess is they did not have immediate access to this information. Also I think Hilary's emails and Benghazi obviously played a factor here. And Obamacare. And gay marriage. And liberals.
- Aloha 9y ago
  You forgot Uranium One, that one is clearly the most important at all.
burkaman 9y ago
> sanctuary city policy is to not cooperate with ICE I don't think that's true, unless you have an example. Usually sanctuary cities have policies like "don't hold illegal immigrants while you wait for ICE agents unless they've broken another law", "don't automatically notify ICE when an illegal immigrant is released from jail", etc. It doesn't mean "don't return their phone calls and never share information".
spamizbad 9y ago
I don't think you understand what a "sanctuary city" is.
pthreads 9y ago
>In theory ICE could check this out, but sanctuary city policy is to not cooperate with ICE, so my guess is they did not have immediate access to this information. I don't think this has anything to do with sanctuary cities. I am convinced they had easy access to his info: "As a young teenager, Carrillo automatically became a U.S. citizen when his mother went through the naturalization process." That means USCIS had everything -- his SSN, fingerprints, photos, (even though from his teenage years). Could have been trivial for ICE to check, if they wanted to.
- creaghpatr 9y ago
  My speculation was dead wrong, in fact LA functions more or less like a regular city regarding the LAPD/ICE relationship https://theintercept.com/2017/02/27/los-angeles-mayor-flirts-with-sanctuary-movement-while-collaborating-with-ice/ https://theintercept.com/2017/02/27/los-angeles-mayor-flirts... >LAPD officers have historically shared intelligence with ICE through the CalGang database system, and ICE agents are in the county jails on a near-daily basis.
pkaye 9y ago
> After being allowed to make a phone call to an uncle, Carrillo said his son brought a passport and a certificate of citizenship the government issued Carrillo but that ICE officers refused to review the documents. Seems the problem lies with ICE officers and not the city.
- dominotw 9y ago
  >ICE officers refused to review the documents. Curious why did they refused to review the documents. Just malice, racism ect?
  - cuckcuckspruce 9y ago
    Probably because they're Immigration and Customs Enforcement - not Immigration and Customs Judges. They enforce the orders that they're given. The proper forum for presenting that evidence would be in front of a judge. Or do police officers get to tear up arrest warrants because a family member gave them a video tape showing the person being arrested is innocent? inb4 'just following orders' response: We're not talking about murdering people here, so here's a ladder so you can get off your high horse and we can engage on the same level.
    - pkaye 9y ago
      >...but he was told he had to file his complaint in writing to an ICE officer who was assigned to his case. He said he did so, but received no response. >The refusal by ICE officials to listen to Carrillo's claims of citizenship appeared to violate an agency policy that requires officers to thoroughly and quickly investigate such claims. If there is any doubt whether someone is a citizen, the policy instructs officers not to arrest the person until the confusion is resolved.
      - dominotw 9y ago
        > until the confusion is resolved. How is the confusion resolved? ICE officers are equipped to verify the documents?
dragonwriter 9y ago
> In theory ICE could check this out, but sanctuary city policy is to not cooperate with ICE, so my guess is they did not have immediate access to this information. Cities aren't the source of authority for naturalization information, USCIS is. Sanctuary cities have no effect on ICEs ability to verify information whose authoritative source is another office that, like ICE, is part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

couchand 9y ago

Cities are not responsible for naturalization.

guelo 9y ago

That's not how criminal records or sanctuary cities work.

Goronmon 9y ago

In theory ICE could check this out, but sanctuary city policy is to not cooperate with ICE, so my guess is they did not have immediate access to this information. Also I think Hilary's emails and Benghazi obviously played a factor here. And Obamacare. And gay marriage. And liberals.

Aloha 9y ago
You forgot Uranium One, that one is clearly the most important at all.

burkaman 9y ago

> sanctuary city policy is to not cooperate with ICE I don't think that's true, unless you have an example. Usually sanctuary cities have policies like "don't hold illegal immigrants while you wait for ICE agents unless they've broken another law", "don't automatically notify ICE when an illegal immigrant is released from jail", etc. It doesn't mean "don't return their phone calls and never share information".

spamizbad 9y ago

I don't think you understand what a "sanctuary city" is.

pthreads 9y ago

>In theory ICE could check this out, but sanctuary city policy is to not cooperate with ICE, so my guess is they did not have immediate access to this information. I don't think this has anything to do with sanctuary cities. I am convinced they had easy access to his info: "As a young teenager, Carrillo automatically became a U.S. citizen when his mother went through the naturalization process." That means USCIS had everything -- his SSN, fingerprints, photos, (even though from his teenage years). Could have been trivial for ICE to check, if they wanted to.

creaghpatr 9y ago
My speculation was dead wrong, in fact LA functions more or less like a regular city regarding the LAPD/ICE relationship https://theintercept.com/2017/02/27/los-angeles-mayor-flirts-with-sanctuary-movement-while-collaborating-with-ice/ https://theintercept.com/2017/02/27/los-angeles-mayor-flirts... >LAPD officers have historically shared intelligence with ICE through the CalGang database system, and ICE agents are in the county jails on a near-daily basis.

pkaye 9y ago

> After being allowed to make a phone call to an uncle, Carrillo said his son brought a passport and a certificate of citizenship the government issued Carrillo but that ICE officers refused to review the documents. Seems the problem lies with ICE officers and not the city.

dominotw 9y ago
>ICE officers refused to review the documents. Curious why did they refused to review the documents. Just malice, racism ect?
- cuckcuckspruce 9y ago
  Probably because they're Immigration and Customs Enforcement - not Immigration and Customs Judges. They enforce the orders that they're given. The proper forum for presenting that evidence would be in front of a judge. Or do police officers get to tear up arrest warrants because a family member gave them a video tape showing the person being arrested is innocent? inb4 'just following orders' response: We're not talking about murdering people here, so here's a ladder so you can get off your high horse and we can engage on the same level.
  - pkaye 9y ago
    >...but he was told he had to file his complaint in writing to an ICE officer who was assigned to his case. He said he did so, but received no response. >The refusal by ICE officials to listen to Carrillo's claims of citizenship appeared to violate an agency policy that requires officers to thoroughly and quickly investigate such claims. If there is any doubt whether someone is a citizen, the policy instructs officers not to arrest the person until the confusion is resolved.
    - dominotw 9y ago
      > until the confusion is resolved. How is the confusion resolved? ICE officers are equipped to verify the documents?

dragonwriter 9y ago

> In theory ICE could check this out, but sanctuary city policy is to not cooperate with ICE, so my guess is they did not have immediate access to this information. Cities aren't the source of authority for naturalization information, USCIS is. Sanctuary cities have no effect on ICEs ability to verify information whose authoritative source is another office that, like ICE, is part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.