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Amazon has a device that is always listening, that's true. It's listening for the trigger word. If it did more than that, do you think companies deploying thes

Amazon has a device that is always listening, that's true. It's listening for the trigger word. If it did more than that, do you think companies deploying these devices wouldn't notice?

raisedbyninjas 9y ago
Outside of monitoring everything these devices store to flash and send across the the network, how would anybody notice? If an enterprising hacker gained control of these you may need to analyse side channels like ultrasonic messaging too.
- outworlder 9y ago
  "...send across the the network" You know, major companies don't just plug ethernet cables to routers and forget about them. They WILL notice the traffic.
atonse 9y ago
No, we've always assumed that it's just waiting for the trigger word. But wasn't there that murder case where the police wanted recordings from the victim's Echo and they got them? I don't remember the specifics. Everyone here is absolutely right about "why are you complaining when you carry a phone" etc. Yes it's also risky. It's just such a bizarre normal we're in nowadays.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > But wasn't there that murder case where the police wanted recordings from the victim's Echo and they got them? Well, strictly speaking, no, it was the suspect’s Echo. And the suspect agreed to allow Amazon to release them. But I can't find any indication that it involved any recordings except ones triggered by the wake word. See, e.g., http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/us/amazon-echo-arkansas-murder-case-dismissed/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/us/amazon-echo-arkansas-murder...
- outworlder 9y ago
  Do you own one? Echo has a history of requests. Songs that you play, apps you launch, basically all your requests. In my home I even have the requests to turn on/off devices. That info is sent to Amazon (obviously). And is available to you. So there maybe some data that leaks that you wouldn't want to. For business this is important (meeting names can be confidential). Not sure how Amazon addresses these. However, that's a bit different from always-on recording, which I doubt it does. I see no unusual activity in my home network, with 3 echos.
  - atonse 9y ago
    I actually did buy one (an Echo Dot) but I unplugged it after a day. I actually bought it to test out some custom apps I wanted to build.

Amazon has a device that is always listening, that's true. It's listening for the trigger word. If it did more than that, do you think companies deploying these devices wouldn't notice?

raisedbyninjas 9y ago

Outside of monitoring everything these devices store to flash and send across the the network, how would anybody notice? If an enterprising hacker gained control of these you may need to analyse side channels like ultrasonic messaging too.

outworlder 9y ago
"...send across the the network" You know, major companies don't just plug ethernet cables to routers and forget about them. They WILL notice the traffic.

atonse 9y ago

No, we've always assumed that it's just waiting for the trigger word. But wasn't there that murder case where the police wanted recordings from the victim's Echo and they got them? I don't remember the specifics. Everyone here is absolutely right about "why are you complaining when you carry a phone" etc. Yes it's also risky. It's just such a bizarre normal we're in nowadays.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> But wasn't there that murder case where the police wanted recordings from the victim's Echo and they got them? Well, strictly speaking, no, it was the suspect’s Echo. And the suspect agreed to allow Amazon to release them. But I can't find any indication that it involved any recordings except ones triggered by the wake word. See, e.g., http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/us/amazon-echo-arkansas-murder-case-dismissed/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/us/amazon-echo-arkansas-murder...
outworlder 9y ago
Do you own one? Echo has a history of requests. Songs that you play, apps you launch, basically all your requests. In my home I even have the requests to turn on/off devices. That info is sent to Amazon (obviously). And is available to you. So there maybe some data that leaks that you wouldn't want to. For business this is important (meeting names can be confidential). Not sure how Amazon addresses these. However, that's a bit different from always-on recording, which I doubt it does. I see no unusual activity in my home network, with 3 echos.
- atonse 9y ago
  I actually did buy one (an Echo Dot) but I unplugged it after a day. I actually bought it to test out some custom apps I wanted to build.