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> If you reject not only the politics of your opponents, but the value of fact itself, why should they listen to or accommodate you? Because "you" (i.e. the ri

> If you reject not only the politics of your opponents, but the value of fact itself, why should they listen to or accommodate you? Because "you" (i.e. the right wing, in your analogy) can muster more votes from the political center than "they" can and can put into place governmental and economic policy that can disrupt or damage said "spaces dedicated dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge" greatly. The ivory tower doesn't exist in a vacuum. Its gates can be besieged by the populace and it can fall to its besiegers.

vannevar 9y ago
It can, but the notion that ignorance can triumph by force is not the fault of the universities. What is their alternative? To pander to people who believe that Islamic terrorists are a greater threat to them than the ladder in their garage, that being gay is a conscious moral choice, and that tax cuts stimulate economic growth? Conservative backlash against science and mathematics is a consequence of the increasing availability of data directly contradicting most of their core intuitive beliefs. That they're choosing to shoot the messenger is not the messenger's fault.
- creaghpatr 9y ago
  >To pander to people who believe that Islamic terrorists are a greater threat to them than the ladder in their garage A poor straw man argument, and it's telling that you need untruthful hyperbole to make your point.
  - irhd 9y ago
    That's not a strawman either. Hyperbole is a valid rhetorical device. The point is that fear is used to drive conservatism, in many cases irrational fear.
  - vannevar 9y ago
    In what sense is it a straw man argument? Republicans favor spending enormous amounts of money fighting Islamic terrorists, while ignoring much more probable threats. That is not hyperbole, it is sad truth.
    - carry_bit 9y ago
      Compare the rate for both of those aggregated over the last 5 years to the previous 5 years.
      - vannevar 9y ago
        Or you can simply look at the probability of various causes of death: http://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrorism-disease-accidents-2017-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrori.... They don't specifically have ladder deaths, but at about 300/year, it would rank between heat waves and electricity on the list.

vannevar 9y ago

It can, but the notion that ignorance can triumph by force is not the fault of the universities. What is their alternative? To pander to people who believe that Islamic terrorists are a greater threat to them than the ladder in their garage, that being gay is a conscious moral choice, and that tax cuts stimulate economic growth? Conservative backlash against science and mathematics is a consequence of the increasing availability of data directly contradicting most of their core intuitive beliefs. That they're choosing to shoot the messenger is not the messenger's fault.

creaghpatr 9y ago
>To pander to people who believe that Islamic terrorists are a greater threat to them than the ladder in their garage A poor straw man argument, and it's telling that you need untruthful hyperbole to make your point.
- irhd 9y ago
  That's not a strawman either. Hyperbole is a valid rhetorical device. The point is that fear is used to drive conservatism, in many cases irrational fear.
- vannevar 9y ago
  In what sense is it a straw man argument? Republicans favor spending enormous amounts of money fighting Islamic terrorists, while ignoring much more probable threats. That is not hyperbole, it is sad truth.
  - carry_bit 9y ago
    Compare the rate for both of those aggregated over the last 5 years to the previous 5 years.
    - vannevar 9y ago
      Or you can simply look at the probability of various causes of death: http://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrorism-disease-accidents-2017-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrori.... They don't specifically have ladder deaths, but at about 300/year, it would rank between heat waves and electricity on the list.