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What is "demonetization"? I've never heard of this before. Does it mean YouTube stops inserting ads in your videos? As a viewer, that sounds pretty great to me

What is "demonetization"? I've never heard of this before. Does it mean YouTube stops inserting ads in your videos? As a viewer, that sounds pretty great to me. It sounds like they also stop suggesting your video to random viewers, which is understandable if they're not making money off it. Surely the real problem is that ads are toxic, the ad-supported content model is toxic, and YouTube's automatic recommendations are horrible (see the recent article on terrifying race-to-the-bottom videos for kids: https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-internet-c39c471271d2 https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-in...) Edit to clarify: yes, of course I realize that content creators need the money. I'm just saying that this is a bad system that often rewards bad content and punishes important-but-uncomfortable content. Unfortunately it's almost the only system in town. I would love to see e.g. Patreon rivaling YouTube in revenue. Edit edit: and ads aside, relying on YouTube (Facebook, etc) to tell us what to watch is terrible. We should instead do our own crowd-sourced curation, aka recommend good things to each other. And we need to defend ourselves against the likes of Facebook and Twitter insinuating their own filters between us and our friends.

iagovar 9y ago
The report not only talks about that. It also talks about videos that, because of being demonetized, they also appear less in YT searches and related content. In other words, if you video has ads, then the probability of appearing in searches and related content is higher, thus you, as used, are more exposed to ads.
- danjoc 9y ago
  >In other words, if you video has ads, then the probability of appearing in searches and related content is higher So users that permit ads on their video get a virtual "fast lane" on the Comcast internet service. You know, I'm sick and tired of these internet service providers violating Net Neutrality principles. Oh, wait. It's YouTube? Oh, that's fine then./s
  - delecti 9y ago
    Youtube not providing extra promotion for content is different from Comcast charging extra to even access that content.
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  - cerebellum42 9y ago
    Not permitting ads from the user's end doesn't even influence the ranking and likelihood of showing up in recommendations (as far as we know). It's just demonetization from Youtube's side that has that effect.
  - jowsie 9y ago
    You do realise you're comparing a company that makes its money from advertising on top of an otherwise video sharing platform, with a company you pay a fixed monthly fee to access the internet, right?
    - danjoc 9y ago
      >a company that makes its money from advertising on top of an otherwise video sharing platform I know you meant YouTube, but that describes Comcast cable TV service as well. YouTube is a competitor. Should Comcast be forced to deliver a competitor's content? >with a company you pay a fixed monthly fee to access the internet Some parts of the internet. You don't get the "whole" internet. You've had limited internet and fast/slow lanes for decades. http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/comcast-newsgroups.html http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/comcast-newsgroups.html https://www.xfinity.com/support/internet/list-of-blocked-ports/ https://www.xfinity.com/support/internet/list-of-blocked-por... https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Asymmetrical_Internet_Access https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Asymmetrical_Internet_Access
rbobrowicz 9y ago
>What is "demonetization"? YouTube deciding your video is ineligible for earning ad revenue. So the creator gets nothing (or close to nothing, not sure). I'm not sure if it actually stops running ads on the videos since I've been using an ad blocker for ages.
- iainmerrick 9y ago
  Wow, I would certainly have assumed that if they show ads, they must share the revenue.
  - cerebellum42 9y ago
    If your video gets demonetized no (or much fewer) ads get shown. If ads are shown, revenue is shared between Youtube and the creator.
Raphmedia 9y ago
Youtube content creators rely on ads to make their living. Monetization (ads on videos) are managed automatically by an algorithm. There are a lot of false positive where people spend weeks working on a video and end up getting no revenue for it. I watch a lot of videos on world history. It happen very often that those YouTubers have their revenue cut off because the video is automatically flagged as "war", "weapons". It's ridiculous since those wars and weapons are those of the ancient world. Worst than that, recently one big user had his account outright deleted for talking about ninjas and their weaponry in a video uploaded around 10 years ago. The algorithm went through his previous videos and flagged his entire account as undesirable. See this petition where it took 35k+ users for his account to be restored. https://www.change.org/p/google-inc-reinstate-the-thegnthrand-youtube-channel https://www.change.org/p/google-inc-reinstate-the-thegnthran...

iagovar 9y ago

The report not only talks about that. It also talks about videos that, because of being demonetized, they also appear less in YT searches and related content. In other words, if you video has ads, then the probability of appearing in searches and related content is higher, thus you, as used, are more exposed to ads.

danjoc 9y ago
>In other words, if you video has ads, then the probability of appearing in searches and related content is higher So users that permit ads on their video get a virtual "fast lane" on the Comcast internet service. You know, I'm sick and tired of these internet service providers violating Net Neutrality principles. Oh, wait. It's YouTube? Oh, that's fine then./s
- delecti 9y ago
  Youtube not providing extra promotion for content is different from Comcast charging extra to even access that content.
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- cerebellum42 9y ago
  Not permitting ads from the user's end doesn't even influence the ranking and likelihood of showing up in recommendations (as far as we know). It's just demonetization from Youtube's side that has that effect.
- jowsie 9y ago
  You do realise you're comparing a company that makes its money from advertising on top of an otherwise video sharing platform, with a company you pay a fixed monthly fee to access the internet, right?
  - danjoc 9y ago
    >a company that makes its money from advertising on top of an otherwise video sharing platform I know you meant YouTube, but that describes Comcast cable TV service as well. YouTube is a competitor. Should Comcast be forced to deliver a competitor's content? >with a company you pay a fixed monthly fee to access the internet Some parts of the internet. You don't get the "whole" internet. You've had limited internet and fast/slow lanes for decades. http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/comcast-newsgroups.html http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/comcast-newsgroups.html https://www.xfinity.com/support/internet/list-of-blocked-ports/ https://www.xfinity.com/support/internet/list-of-blocked-por... https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Asymmetrical_Internet_Access https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Asymmetrical_Internet_Access

rbobrowicz 9y ago

>What is "demonetization"? YouTube deciding your video is ineligible for earning ad revenue. So the creator gets nothing (or close to nothing, not sure). I'm not sure if it actually stops running ads on the videos since I've been using an ad blocker for ages.

iainmerrick 9y ago
Wow, I would certainly have assumed that if they show ads, they must share the revenue.
- cerebellum42 9y ago
  If your video gets demonetized no (or much fewer) ads get shown. If ads are shown, revenue is shared between Youtube and the creator.

Raphmedia 9y ago

Youtube content creators rely on ads to make their living. Monetization (ads on videos) are managed automatically by an algorithm. There are a lot of false positive where people spend weeks working on a video and end up getting no revenue for it. I watch a lot of videos on world history. It happen very often that those YouTubers have their revenue cut off because the video is automatically flagged as "war", "weapons". It's ridiculous since those wars and weapons are those of the ancient world. Worst than that, recently one big user had his account outright deleted for talking about ninjas and their weaponry in a video uploaded around 10 years ago. The algorithm went through his previous videos and flagged his entire account as undesirable. See this petition where it took 35k+ users for his account to be restored. https://www.change.org/p/google-inc-reinstate-the-thegnthrand-youtube-channel https://www.change.org/p/google-inc-reinstate-the-thegnthran...