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> Sounds like a pretty good benefit for everyone involved. Yes, its just a terrible one for everyone else. Thats the whole point. > Sucks for consumers, but y
by conanbatt 9y ago
> Sounds like a pretty good benefit for everyone involved.
Yes, its just a terrible one for everyone else. Thats the whole point.
> Sucks for consumers, but your point was about the workers, not about consumers, etc.
Consumers are workers. If we talk only about pilots, its also bad: the union prevents other pilots from being hired.
- rev_bird 9y ago>Consumers are workers. This is circular logic, isn't it? It's like saying McDonald's should only pay workers $3 an hour because I, some uninvolved person who happens to be a worker elsewhere, would like a cheaper hamburger. That's not pro-worker, that's pro-hamburger. If the question is about a fair playing field between bosses and workers, I don't understand what a strike inconveniencing people has to do with it.
- conanbatt 9y agoIt isnt, because not all workers can unionize. In consequence, unionized get the better on non unionized. The artificial increase of wages has the same effect that the artificual increase of profits
- jackvalentine 9y ago> It isnt, because not all workers can unionize. Yes they can.
- conanbatt 9y agoThey cant, for multiple reasons. But even if you believe what you said, all workers dont unionize. Thats an empirical fact. So while they dont all unionize, still some workers eat others.
- jackvalentine 9y agoFor multiple reasons. Which you don’t list.
- conanbatt 9y agoState often limits who can unionize. For example in argentina, police and firemen cant unionize. In the us maybe the military cant ( but the can in argentina!) Second some jobs are easier to unionize than others due to geographicalities. Farmers in the us have below minimum incomes. Their effective unionization has no limit on how much wages they could get. But because its impossible to be cohesive with small numbes and large distances it doesnt happen. Unions form successfully by their capcity to limit supply. Anything that can be imported breaks unions. Anything that cant helps them. Thats why teachers, cops, garbage and transport are unions in the us, but electronic manufacture isnt. Hope this is enough!
- jackvalentine 9y agoFarmers unions exist. Police and fire brigade unions exist. Manufacturers unions exist. Did you know that unions have been illegal in various countries at various points of time? People still unionised and fought to have it made legal. It isn’t always easy, but any worker can unionise. You seem to be confusing possibility with activity.
- conanbatt 9y agoAny worker can unionize, but not all workers can. Akin to saying everyone can be rich and have a servant. The prohibition of unions was a terrible thing indeed, and unions themselves have also been producers of tremendous violence, murder and oppression. There are no short examples of abuse. Nevertheless, any union that has significant effects has them by providing new limitations on labor. You don't need to ban unions to make them dissapear, you just have to let labor roam free and then they dissipate instantly.
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