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> Looks like the pilots trust AA less than I do when they promise vouchers. I know several people who work in union shops, including airlines. They all have a

> Looks like the pilots trust AA less than I do when they promise vouchers. I know several people who work in union shops, including airlines. They all have adversarial relationships with management. There's a lot of gamesmanship and working to rule even if that prevents actual work from getting done. It's funny to hear them complaining sometimes about trying to get good vacation slots, etc, because the guys who've been there the longest get all the priority due to union rules and they get what's left over.

rconti 9y ago
Yup. I heard on the radio (also NPR) that the union expects flights to be cancelled. And the union seems to be laughing ("Santa Claus giving everyone the day off") about the problem. And the union contract prevents paying more than 150% to fill the slots. Yeah, this will go well.
- rev_bird 9y ago
  So the company approves vacation time for its employees, then wants to take it away because they don't know how to use a calendar, and you're blaming the union for the entire thing?
  - RHSeeger 9y ago
    Mistakes were made, and it's not unreasonable to expect both sides to work together to serve the "greater good" (getting people where they need to go during the holidays) instead of just saying "you made a mistake, screw everyone who has their plans ruined".
  - rconti 9y ago
    The airline made an honest mistake (clearly they didn't want this to happen), and the union laughs in their faces and the contract they pushed prevents the airline from doing more to remedy the situation. I'm obviously blaming the airline first. But the obvious remedy is to pay the pilots even more than 150%. I wonder what the ultimate solution will be. Maybe it'll be easier to weasel out of it by yanking vacation from employees than simply paying 300% (or something).
- bildung 9y ago
  > And the union contract prevents paying more than 150% to fill the slots. Without having seen that contract, this is almost guaranteed to be false. Most probably the contracts prevents the union to demand more than 150%, but of course the airline is still free to voluntarily pay more than that. This is just a (successful, it seems) PR spin of the situation.
nasredin 9y ago
Seniority sucks... if you aren't senior.

rconti 9y ago

Yup. I heard on the radio (also NPR) that the union expects flights to be cancelled. And the union seems to be laughing ("Santa Claus giving everyone the day off") about the problem. And the union contract prevents paying more than 150% to fill the slots. Yeah, this will go well.

rev_bird 9y ago
So the company approves vacation time for its employees, then wants to take it away because they don't know how to use a calendar, and you're blaming the union for the entire thing?
- RHSeeger 9y ago
  Mistakes were made, and it's not unreasonable to expect both sides to work together to serve the "greater good" (getting people where they need to go during the holidays) instead of just saying "you made a mistake, screw everyone who has their plans ruined".
- rconti 9y ago
  The airline made an honest mistake (clearly they didn't want this to happen), and the union laughs in their faces and the contract they pushed prevents the airline from doing more to remedy the situation. I'm obviously blaming the airline first. But the obvious remedy is to pay the pilots even more than 150%. I wonder what the ultimate solution will be. Maybe it'll be easier to weasel out of it by yanking vacation from employees than simply paying 300% (or something).
bildung 9y ago
> And the union contract prevents paying more than 150% to fill the slots. Without having seen that contract, this is almost guaranteed to be false. Most probably the contracts prevents the union to demand more than 150%, but of course the airline is still free to voluntarily pay more than that. This is just a (successful, it seems) PR spin of the situation.

nasredin 9y ago

Seniority sucks... if you aren't senior.