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It's absolutely naïve to think women aren't playing power games to get what they want as well; I see it daily with my sister that is a head of some law agency.

by bitL 9y ago

It's absolutely naïve to think women aren't playing power games to get what they want as well; I see it daily with my sister that is a head of some law agency. She's single as there are few men above her that would date her and her romantic relationships are just for fun, often with (current/former) subordinates (IMO they are co-dependents that need a strong woman to feel good about themselves). There is zero backlash she is getting for that. She's not in the US though.

rayiner 9y ago
Doesn't that just reinforce my point? To the extent there are women "playing power games" that's not something the company should tolerate either. And just because the subordinate is consenting or even willful doesn't make dating a subordinate okay. Then it becomes a question of whether the supervisor can maintain objectivity and fairness with respect to the rest of the team.
- bitL 9y ago
  I agree, I'd absolutely love to live in such an environment. But my outlook is pessimistic towards abuse on both sides when one can get something out of it, while yours is optimistic. I'd worked in a company where a woman slept with a boss of a company offering a multi-million business opportunity and after securing the contract, she was rewarded with the role of a head of an important branch (I left in disgust with overall culture anyway). If you think this is an exception you might be surprised what a cesspool the top level of companies often is and what it takes to get there. The rules are applied highly selectively, often exploiting stupidity/idealism of the one that is now "out" that didn't properly cover their back or didn't play nasty politics collecting evidence against anyone that might threaten them. The flawless ones often aren't promoted either as there is no way to easily coerce them. In limit only the worst kind of people would stay in power unless some disaster comes, cleaning the Augean stables.

by bitL 9y ago

rayiner 9y ago

Doesn't that just reinforce my point? To the extent there are women "playing power games" that's not something the company should tolerate either. And just because the subordinate is consenting or even willful doesn't make dating a subordinate okay. Then it becomes a question of whether the supervisor can maintain objectivity and fairness with respect to the rest of the team.

bitL 9y ago
I agree, I'd absolutely love to live in such an environment. But my outlook is pessimistic towards abuse on both sides when one can get something out of it, while yours is optimistic. I'd worked in a company where a woman slept with a boss of a company offering a multi-million business opportunity and after securing the contract, she was rewarded with the role of a head of an important branch (I left in disgust with overall culture anyway). If you think this is an exception you might be surprised what a cesspool the top level of companies often is and what it takes to get there. The rules are applied highly selectively, often exploiting stupidity/idealism of the one that is now "out" that didn't properly cover their back or didn't play nasty politics collecting evidence against anyone that might threaten them. The flawless ones often aren't promoted either as there is no way to easily coerce them. In limit only the worst kind of people would stay in power unless some disaster comes, cleaning the Augean stables.