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just search for "Persönlichkeitsrecht" related to work. One example: http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2013-02/liebe-am-arbeitsplatz http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2

just search for "Persönlichkeitsrecht" related to work. One example: http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2013-02/liebe-am-arbeitsplatz http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2013-02/liebe-am-arbeitsplatz

dpark 9y ago
That decision was (from what I can tell) about relationships with coworkers, not subordinates. Is there a decision asserting that it violates rights to ban relationships with subordinates? Given the clear avenue for abuse and harassment this creates, it seems like no liberal nation would protect this.
- jsnk 9y ago
  coworkers are a superset of subordinates so this law would cover the case of subordinates.
  - dpark 9y ago
    Not necessarily. I don’t know how the decision was actually written. It may not have protected all coworker relationships. The fact that a newspaper article phrases is that way doesn’t mean it’s entirely accurate.
- therealmarv 9y ago
  Let me tell this to you. No normal company operating in Germany can write in their internal rules that relationships between executives and subordinates are forbidden (maybe the military can do this). This is against the law "Persönlichkeitsrecht". If it affects visible the work for others then it can have consequences but the knowledge alone that an executive and subordinate have a romantic relationship cannot be declared as wrong in Germany. Another example for prove: http://www.bottroper-anwalt.de/artikel/liebe-arbeitsplatz-was__1440.html http://www.bottroper-anwalt.de/artikel/liebe-arbeitsplatz-wa...
  - dpark 9y ago
    I find this bizarre. Relationships with subordinates are problematic in normal businesses for the same reason as in the military: it opens up an avenue to pressure subordinates into an undesired relationship.
    - therealmarv 9y ago
      well in the military you always have less personal rights ;)
  - dguaraglia 9y ago
    There is no law saying that relationships between managers/reports are forbidden. There is a huge potential for liability though, and any company with a legal team worth their salt will try to set some rules around it. That said, if Germany explicitly forbids setting rules... well, that's neither here nor there.

just search for "Persönlichkeitsrecht" related to work. One example: http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2013-02/liebe-am-arbeitsplatz http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2013-02/liebe-am-arbeitsplatz

dpark 9y ago

That decision was (from what I can tell) about relationships with coworkers, not subordinates. Is there a decision asserting that it violates rights to ban relationships with subordinates? Given the clear avenue for abuse and harassment this creates, it seems like no liberal nation would protect this.

jsnk 9y ago
coworkers are a superset of subordinates so this law would cover the case of subordinates.
- dpark 9y ago
  Not necessarily. I don’t know how the decision was actually written. It may not have protected all coworker relationships. The fact that a newspaper article phrases is that way doesn’t mean it’s entirely accurate.
therealmarv 9y ago
Let me tell this to you. No normal company operating in Germany can write in their internal rules that relationships between executives and subordinates are forbidden (maybe the military can do this). This is against the law "Persönlichkeitsrecht". If it affects visible the work for others then it can have consequences but the knowledge alone that an executive and subordinate have a romantic relationship cannot be declared as wrong in Germany. Another example for prove: http://www.bottroper-anwalt.de/artikel/liebe-arbeitsplatz-was__1440.html http://www.bottroper-anwalt.de/artikel/liebe-arbeitsplatz-wa...
- dpark 9y ago
  I find this bizarre. Relationships with subordinates are problematic in normal businesses for the same reason as in the military: it opens up an avenue to pressure subordinates into an undesired relationship.
  - therealmarv 9y ago
    well in the military you always have less personal rights ;)
- dguaraglia 9y ago
  There is no law saying that relationships between managers/reports are forbidden. There is a huge potential for liability though, and any company with a legal team worth their salt will try to set some rules around it. That said, if Germany explicitly forbids setting rules... well, that's neither here nor there.