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Even if it's technically not allowed, AirBnB is not proactively enforcing the ToS by checking the properties prior to rental. Without a legal framework for pro

Even if it's technically not allowed, AirBnB is not proactively enforcing the ToS by checking the properties prior to rental. Without a legal framework for prosecution, the most we can realistically expect is a refund to the consumer and banishment of the property owner.

ensignavenger 9y ago
A case could be made against the property owner for fraud. They said they complied with AirBnB rules, and they sold you something based on that statement, but they were not in compliance. Sounds like fraud to me.
bastawhiz 9y ago
Does it matter? I don't expect someone from corporate to be regularly sweeping my Motel 6 room for hidden cameras. That doesn't mean I don't have an expectation of privacy or that Motel 6 has no responsibility to protect that expectation. If there's no legal recourse where I'm staying, I'd expect to be reasonably compensated for any trouble, which it sounds like is happening.
- Naritai 9y ago
  You actually do. An employee of Motel 6 (the housekeeper) sweeps your Motel 6 room every single day, or at least between stays. Furthermore the onsite management is explicitly expected to enforce corporate regulations. Yet no ABNB employee comes anywhere near your 'rental', and there exists framework for enforcing ABNB policy beyond the good-will of the 'hosts'.
  - bastawhiz 9y ago
    If the motel housekeeping or management is the one planting the camera, then I don't see how this is any different than case with Airbnb. Airbnb hosts are explicitly expected to follow the terms of service, just as hotel management is expected to follow corporate policy. Plus, the whole point of a hidden camera is that it's hidden. If anything, it would be far harder to find a hidden camera as the number of rooms to search increases.
    - Naritai 9y ago
      If the motel housekeeping or management is the one planting the camera, then the corporation will be held account. On the other hand, if a host plants the camera, AirBNB's language makes it clear that there is no accountability or responsibility on AirBNB's part. So the incentives to actually enforce that policy are entirely different.
tinus_hn 9y ago
How would you imagine that would work? AirBnB employs stealth spying experts that come and sweep the property for cameras?
- Naritai 9y ago
  While I'm guessing you're being sarcastic, a number of corporate head offices use 'secret shoppers' or other similar techniques for ensuring their retail locations are following corporate policy.

ensignavenger 9y ago

A case could be made against the property owner for fraud. They said they complied with AirBnB rules, and they sold you something based on that statement, but they were not in compliance. Sounds like fraud to me.

bastawhiz 9y ago

Does it matter? I don't expect someone from corporate to be regularly sweeping my Motel 6 room for hidden cameras. That doesn't mean I don't have an expectation of privacy or that Motel 6 has no responsibility to protect that expectation. If there's no legal recourse where I'm staying, I'd expect to be reasonably compensated for any trouble, which it sounds like is happening.

Naritai 9y ago
You actually do. An employee of Motel 6 (the housekeeper) sweeps your Motel 6 room every single day, or at least between stays. Furthermore the onsite management is explicitly expected to enforce corporate regulations. Yet no ABNB employee comes anywhere near your 'rental', and there exists framework for enforcing ABNB policy beyond the good-will of the 'hosts'.
- bastawhiz 9y ago
  If the motel housekeeping or management is the one planting the camera, then I don't see how this is any different than case with Airbnb. Airbnb hosts are explicitly expected to follow the terms of service, just as hotel management is expected to follow corporate policy. Plus, the whole point of a hidden camera is that it's hidden. If anything, it would be far harder to find a hidden camera as the number of rooms to search increases.
  - Naritai 9y ago
    If the motel housekeeping or management is the one planting the camera, then the corporation will be held account. On the other hand, if a host plants the camera, AirBNB's language makes it clear that there is no accountability or responsibility on AirBNB's part. So the incentives to actually enforce that policy are entirely different.

tinus_hn 9y ago

How would you imagine that would work? AirBnB employs stealth spying experts that come and sweep the property for cameras?

Naritai 9y ago
While I'm guessing you're being sarcastic, a number of corporate head offices use 'secret shoppers' or other similar techniques for ensuring their retail locations are following corporate policy.