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Good point, but I meant the social system of Wikipedia more than the technology. On a corporate intranet vandalism was never a concern, as you can always have t

Good point, but I meant the social system of Wikipedia more than the technology. On a corporate intranet vandalism was never a concern, as you can always have their manager tell them to lay it off. You can separate wiki history quite clearly into pre-Wikipedia (c2 and friends) and post-Wikipedia. What disappoints me is that post-Wikipedia wikis are almost all "Wikipedia for <niche>", rather than something new.

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akavel 9y ago
Ah, so you mean the various orgs, policies, moderators, etc. "administrative" social structures that emerged on Wikipedia? In other words, more or less "meta.wikipedia.org"? If yes, that was not clear to me from your original post (to tell the truth, still isn't; that's why I decided to hereby ask in the end). As to the "something new" in this area, one thing that comes to my mind is some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited; I think it was framed as a kind of "social experiment", but I can't google it out now. Other than that, I'm afraid I'm still not exactly sure what you're trying to say, so I find it hard to discuss or acknowledge yet... That said, for sure I seen the wiki tech used in more than one SCP-like narrative/worldbuilding case. On the other hand, the c2 wiki was in fact a kind of encyclopedia already, so maybe a wiki just naturally matches with such structural model?
- Animats 9y ago
  some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited; I think it was framed as a kind of "social experiment" That's touched on in SF, in "The Moon Goddess and the Son" (1979), by Donald Kingsbury. It's not developed there, just mentioned briefly.
- schoen 9y ago
  > As to the "something new" in this area, one thing that comes to my mind is some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited You might be thinking of Peter Suber's Nomic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic
- cecilpl2 9y ago
  You are likely thinking of the game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic, which happens to be very well-suited for online play. Two of the largest instances are https://agoranomic.org/ https://agoranomic.org/ and https://blognomic.com/ https://blognomic.com/
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fragmede 9y ago
By "new" do you mean you just wish they had a different elevator pitch, or do you wish for an entirely new platform with communication and collaboration features, maybe along the lines of Google Wave, or do you mean something different, like OpenStreetMap where it's globally collaborative like Wikipedia, just for a different sort of information.
heartbreak 9y ago
Would you consider Stack Exchange to include wiki concepts in a non-traditional (Wikipedia) manner?
WikipediasBad 9y ago
The only other wiki project I know of that's the opposite of Wikipedia for <niche> is https://everipedia.org/ https://everipedia.org/ which tries to be a wiki for "everything" by not having Wikipedia's deletionist rules. It's an alright site but has nowhere near the traffic and name brand as Wikipedia, even though it has all the pages Wikipedia has.
jononor 9y ago
Several hackerspaces/makerspaces are physical space which run on the "just give anyone access, don't worry" philosophy. It also works out suprisingly well. I know spaces where over 250 people have (electronic) keys, with about 10 minutes of vetting.

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akavel 9y ago

Ah, so you mean the various orgs, policies, moderators, etc. "administrative" social structures that emerged on Wikipedia? In other words, more or less "meta.wikipedia.org"? If yes, that was not clear to me from your original post (to tell the truth, still isn't; that's why I decided to hereby ask in the end). As to the "something new" in this area, one thing that comes to my mind is some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited; I think it was framed as a kind of "social experiment", but I can't google it out now. Other than that, I'm afraid I'm still not exactly sure what you're trying to say, so I find it hard to discuss or acknowledge yet... That said, for sure I seen the wiki tech used in more than one SCP-like narrative/worldbuilding case. On the other hand, the c2 wiki was in fact a kind of encyclopedia already, so maybe a wiki just naturally matches with such structural model?

Animats 9y ago
some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited; I think it was framed as a kind of "social experiment" That's touched on in SF, in "The Moon Goddess and the Son" (1979), by Donald Kingsbury. It's not developed there, just mentioned briefly.
schoen 9y ago
> As to the "something new" in this area, one thing that comes to my mind is some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited You might be thinking of Peter Suber's Nomic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic
cecilpl2 9y ago
You are likely thinking of the game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic, which happens to be very well-suited for online play. Two of the largest instances are https://agoranomic.org/ https://agoranomic.org/ and https://blognomic.com/ https://blognomic.com/
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fragmede 9y ago

By "new" do you mean you just wish they had a different elevator pitch, or do you wish for an entirely new platform with communication and collaboration features, maybe along the lines of Google Wave, or do you mean something different, like OpenStreetMap where it's globally collaborative like Wikipedia, just for a different sort of information.

heartbreak 9y ago

Would you consider Stack Exchange to include wiki concepts in a non-traditional (Wikipedia) manner?

WikipediasBad 9y ago

The only other wiki project I know of that's the opposite of Wikipedia for <niche> is https://everipedia.org/ https://everipedia.org/ which tries to be a wiki for "everything" by not having Wikipedia's deletionist rules. It's an alright site but has nowhere near the traffic and name brand as Wikipedia, even though it has all the pages Wikipedia has.

jononor 9y ago

Several hackerspaces/makerspaces are physical space which run on the "just give anyone access, don't worry" philosophy. It also works out suprisingly well. I know spaces where over 250 people have (electronic) keys, with about 10 minutes of vetting.