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I disagree about "wiki not being used much [other than] Wikipedia [except super-niche areas]". Just a few successful, absolutely useful and worthwile as much as

by akavel 9y ago

I disagree about "wiki not being used much [other than] Wikipedia [except super-niche areas]". Just a few successful, absolutely useful and worthwile as much as notable examples off the top of my head: - http://www.scp-wiki.net/ http://www.scp-wiki.net/ — platform for artistic expression - http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Duolingo_Wiki http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Duolingo_Wiki — practical FAQ for users, by users (I learned from it quite a few things I needed about the app) - https://wiki.archlinux.org/ https://wiki.archlinux.org/ — super practical, ultimate guide/HOWTO for many Linux-related technologies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoWWiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoWWiki - not to mention cr*ploads of "corporate wikis" in corporate intranets where any and all information can be lost (ummm... "found" according to official corpo-speak...) I pose that wiki as a technology is now firmly entrenched and was without doubt revolutionary. (Btw, it was pioneered on http://c2.com http://c2.com, not "Wikipedia itself".)

TorKlingberg 9y ago
Good point, but I meant the social system of Wikipedia more than the technology. On a corporate intranet vandalism was never a concern, as you can always have their manager tell them to lay it off. You can separate wiki history quite clearly into pre-Wikipedia (c2 and friends) and post-Wikipedia. What disappoints me is that post-Wikipedia wikis are almost all "Wikipedia for <niche>", rather than something new.
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- akavel 9y ago
  Ah, so you mean the various orgs, policies, moderators, etc. "administrative" social structures that emerged on Wikipedia? In other words, more or less "meta.wikipedia.org"? If yes, that was not clear to me from your original post (to tell the truth, still isn't; that's why I decided to hereby ask in the end). As to the "something new" in this area, one thing that comes to my mind is some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited; I think it was framed as a kind of "social experiment", but I can't google it out now. Other than that, I'm afraid I'm still not exactly sure what you're trying to say, so I find it hard to discuss or acknowledge yet... That said, for sure I seen the wiki tech used in more than one SCP-like narrative/worldbuilding case. On the other hand, the c2 wiki was in fact a kind of encyclopedia already, so maybe a wiki just naturally matches with such structural model?
  - Animats 9y ago
    some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited; I think it was framed as a kind of "social experiment" That's touched on in SF, in "The Moon Goddess and the Son" (1979), by Donald Kingsbury. It's not developed there, just mentioned briefly.
  - schoen 9y ago
    > As to the "something new" in this area, one thing that comes to my mind is some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited You might be thinking of Peter Suber's Nomic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic
  - cecilpl2 9y ago
    You are likely thinking of the game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic, which happens to be very well-suited for online play. Two of the largest instances are https://agoranomic.org/ https://agoranomic.org/ and https://blognomic.com/ https://blognomic.com/
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- fragmede 9y ago
  By "new" do you mean you just wish they had a different elevator pitch, or do you wish for an entirely new platform with communication and collaboration features, maybe along the lines of Google Wave, or do you mean something different, like OpenStreetMap where it's globally collaborative like Wikipedia, just for a different sort of information.
- heartbreak 9y ago
  Would you consider Stack Exchange to include wiki concepts in a non-traditional (Wikipedia) manner?
- WikipediasBad 9y ago
  The only other wiki project I know of that's the opposite of Wikipedia for <niche> is https://everipedia.org/ https://everipedia.org/ which tries to be a wiki for "everything" by not having Wikipedia's deletionist rules. It's an alright site but has nowhere near the traffic and name brand as Wikipedia, even though it has all the pages Wikipedia has.
- jononor 9y ago
  Several hackerspaces/makerspaces are physical space which run on the "just give anyone access, don't worry" philosophy. It also works out suprisingly well. I know spaces where over 250 people have (electronic) keys, with about 10 minutes of vetting.
rtkwe 9y ago
Is there actually that much wiki-ing going on on SCP-wiki? It always seemed that it was just the author doing anything with the pieces more like a fanfiction.net than a wiki.
- half-kh-hacker 9y ago
  SCPs themselves can be written by anyone, thrown into the 'Sandbox' wiki, and approved by staff. (I have never gone through the process myself, so if anyone else wants to clarify, please do.)
  - SolaceQuantum 9y ago
    SCP articles are written by anyone and posted by anyone(who is a member, which. Is staff approval via simple rules and entering a code in application) and the community votes on it. Anything below a certain threshold is deleted by staff.
- VectorLock 9y ago
  SCP is a good example of things that can go wrong with a wiki other than vandalism. Heavy handed self-proclaimed editors with too much time on their hands to stifle any creative writing that doesn't fit the mold of schlocky fan fiction.
  - zardo 9y ago
    Other than not being forkable to satisfy the people who's fiction is excluded, what's the problem? You can't satisfy everyone, those that want a consistent theme and voice would be unhappy if they ease up. Do any wiki's support forking and merging?
xster 9y ago
Is this still answering the original topic though? None of these wikis have deep life and death financial interests tied to their content like news and indirectly political world views does.
toomanybeersies 9y ago
Even the NSA and related three letter agencies use wikis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia Also the FBI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaupedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaupedia The DoD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoDTechipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoDTechipedia The State Department: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplopedia
schemathings 9y ago
I recall running across c2 a few times .. there was also everything2.com from 1998 which was/is a community wiki with its own engine, and kuro5hin.com from 1999 which was wiki-ish as well
peterlk 9y ago
I'd point to Openstreetmaps as another example

by akavel 9y ago

TorKlingberg 9y ago

Good point, but I meant the social system of Wikipedia more than the technology. On a corporate intranet vandalism was never a concern, as you can always have their manager tell them to lay it off. You can separate wiki history quite clearly into pre-Wikipedia (c2 and friends) and post-Wikipedia. What disappoints me is that post-Wikipedia wikis are almost all "Wikipedia for <niche>", rather than something new.

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akavel 9y ago
Ah, so you mean the various orgs, policies, moderators, etc. "administrative" social structures that emerged on Wikipedia? In other words, more or less "meta.wikipedia.org"? If yes, that was not clear to me from your original post (to tell the truth, still isn't; that's why I decided to hereby ask in the end). As to the "something new" in this area, one thing that comes to my mind is some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited; I think it was framed as a kind of "social experiment", but I can't google it out now. Other than that, I'm afraid I'm still not exactly sure what you're trying to say, so I find it hard to discuss or acknowledge yet... That said, for sure I seen the wiki tech used in more than one SCP-like narrative/worldbuilding case. On the other hand, the c2 wiki was in fact a kind of encyclopedia already, so maybe a wiki just naturally matches with such structural model?
- Animats 9y ago
  some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited; I think it was framed as a kind of "social experiment" That's touched on in SF, in "The Moon Goddess and the Son" (1979), by Donald Kingsbury. It's not developed there, just mentioned briefly.
- schoen 9y ago
  > As to the "something new" in this area, one thing that comes to my mind is some wiki-based experiment/game I seem to have seen once, where its own rules could be edited You might be thinking of Peter Suber's Nomic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic
- cecilpl2 9y ago
  You are likely thinking of the game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic, which happens to be very well-suited for online play. Two of the largest instances are https://agoranomic.org/ https://agoranomic.org/ and https://blognomic.com/ https://blognomic.com/
- deleted 9y ago
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fragmede 9y ago
By "new" do you mean you just wish they had a different elevator pitch, or do you wish for an entirely new platform with communication and collaboration features, maybe along the lines of Google Wave, or do you mean something different, like OpenStreetMap where it's globally collaborative like Wikipedia, just for a different sort of information.
heartbreak 9y ago
Would you consider Stack Exchange to include wiki concepts in a non-traditional (Wikipedia) manner?
WikipediasBad 9y ago
The only other wiki project I know of that's the opposite of Wikipedia for <niche> is https://everipedia.org/ https://everipedia.org/ which tries to be a wiki for "everything" by not having Wikipedia's deletionist rules. It's an alright site but has nowhere near the traffic and name brand as Wikipedia, even though it has all the pages Wikipedia has.
jononor 9y ago
Several hackerspaces/makerspaces are physical space which run on the "just give anyone access, don't worry" philosophy. It also works out suprisingly well. I know spaces where over 250 people have (electronic) keys, with about 10 minutes of vetting.

rtkwe 9y ago

Is there actually that much wiki-ing going on on SCP-wiki? It always seemed that it was just the author doing anything with the pieces more like a fanfiction.net than a wiki.

half-kh-hacker 9y ago
SCPs themselves can be written by anyone, thrown into the 'Sandbox' wiki, and approved by staff. (I have never gone through the process myself, so if anyone else wants to clarify, please do.)
- SolaceQuantum 9y ago
  SCP articles are written by anyone and posted by anyone(who is a member, which. Is staff approval via simple rules and entering a code in application) and the community votes on it. Anything below a certain threshold is deleted by staff.
VectorLock 9y ago
SCP is a good example of things that can go wrong with a wiki other than vandalism. Heavy handed self-proclaimed editors with too much time on their hands to stifle any creative writing that doesn't fit the mold of schlocky fan fiction.
- zardo 9y ago
  Other than not being forkable to satisfy the people who's fiction is excluded, what's the problem? You can't satisfy everyone, those that want a consistent theme and voice would be unhappy if they ease up. Do any wiki's support forking and merging?

xster 9y ago

Is this still answering the original topic though? None of these wikis have deep life and death financial interests tied to their content like news and indirectly political world views does.

toomanybeersies 9y ago

Even the NSA and related three letter agencies use wikis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellipedia Also the FBI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaupedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaupedia The DoD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoDTechipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoDTechipedia The State Department: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplopedia

schemathings 9y ago

I recall running across c2 a few times .. there was also everything2.com from 1998 which was/is a community wiki with its own engine, and kuro5hin.com from 1999 which was wiki-ish as well

peterlk 9y ago

I'd point to Openstreetmaps as another example