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I know stuff happens. Let me get that out of the way. As someone who had been a Mac user for ~15 years, this is yet another example of news coming from Apple's

by akulbe 9y ago

I know stuff happens. Let me get that out of the way. As someone who had been a Mac user for ~15 years, this is yet another example of news coming from Apple's general direction that makes me feel like Apple has stopped giving much attention to macOS. Yes. They still work on it. But it feels like it gets table scraps, compared to the attention given iOS, and iOS devices. It's the thought that runs through my head on learning that this issue had been on a public forum and nothing public from Apple in response. I ended up switching to Windows 10 for a daily driver. It's been a painful move, the workflow (so far) isn't nearly as smooth. I'm sad. I used to dismiss others who would opine and say Apple feels like it's on a quality decline. Unfortunately, I'm starting to agree with them. Success may not the best teacher, it seems.

LoSboccacc 9y ago
Been saying this since the trash icon stopped becoming eject on dragging volumes. Edit to clarify: the text stay ‘trash’ The lack of care begins with the little things then entropy takes over.
- Angostura 9y ago
  Although that was a relatively recent addition to OSX. Mountain Lion perhaps?
  - pishpash 9y ago
    Nope, not that early.
- stanmancan 9y ago
  Strange, the trashcan has always turned into the eject icon when dragging volumes for me.
  - e_proxus 9y ago
    OP refers to the text besides the icon, not the icon itself, which still says "Trash".
stmw 9y ago
Imagine what Steve Jobs would've said in a meeting today at Apple HQ to discuss this incident. "Can someone here explain to me what is the login dialog supposed to do? ... Ok. Then why the doesn't it do that???"
- handedness 9y ago
  "You've tarnished Apple's reputation ... You should hate each other for having let each other down." (For the unfamiliar, Steve Jobs re: MobileMe.)
jayd16 9y ago
If you're missing the unix workflow make sure to turn on Bash or Windows or mingw or what have you. Helps a lot with the transition.
- akulbe 9y ago
  Oh, I definitely have WSL enabled, but there are enough quirks with it that it definitely doesn't help. One huge thing is that stuff you create gets set to 777. In the Windows environment, this is expected. But outside of /mnt/c I would figure that standard Linux perms would be honored. Nope. This has been very inconsistent. That leads me to conclude that my options are either to figure out all the workarounds to do stuff from Windows natively, or keep a Linux VM handy.
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    VirtualBox in seamless mode works the charm for me!
- dror 9y ago
  Or, you could just run Linux. I used to be jealous of people that ran Macs or Windows because they did seem to "just work" better than a Linux machine, though had inferior packaging systems and security features. These days, my Dell laptop running Ubuntu 16.04 seems to have less problems with audio/video in conference calls than the Macs my coworkers use, and there are vendors like Dell or System76 that'll sell you a pre-configured system if you don't want to fiddle with things.
  - akulbe 9y ago
    It's safe to assume I considered this option. This won't work for a host of reasons. If it was an option, it'd be my first choice.
dreamcompiler 9y ago
> But it feels like it gets table scraps, compared to the attention given iOS, and iOS devices. This is the iOS on which it was impossible to type the letter "i." iOS may get more attention, but both operating systems seem to have lost the plot on software quality.
jheriko 9y ago
this is a very old problem, at least the quality of security and ease of getting root access when you are physically at the machine... they have /never/ done a good job of this. its not decline, its just exposure... OS X has never been much of a target for security, because nearly nobody uses it... but having gained in popularity since the rise of iOS and introducing bootcamp etc. its getting more attention. "i don't need an anti-virus i have a mac" was something i used to hear... its always just been security by obscurity as far as i have seen. hopefully this will have the opposite effect to what you describe and they might start to take it seriously after being so lucky for years and years...
jmkni 9y ago
A big complaint I hear from people moving from MacOS to Windows is the lack of the Virtual Desktop feature. Windows 10 actually has this, and it works really well. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.howtogeek.com/197625/how-to-use-virtual-desktops-in-windows-10/amp/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.howtogeek.com/197625/how-...
Myrmornis 9y ago
You switched to Windows because you > feel like Apple has stopped giving much attention to macOS despite it being > a painful move, the workflow (so far) isn't nearly as smooth ? I'm curious why you use your choice of OS/hardware to cast a tiny vote on the behavior of a vast corporation, instead of simply choosing the OS/hardware that you prefer. For me, the choice of laptop is too important for me to choose a worse laptop for those reasons.

by akulbe 9y ago

LoSboccacc 9y ago

Been saying this since the trash icon stopped becoming eject on dragging volumes. Edit to clarify: the text stay ‘trash’ The lack of care begins with the little things then entropy takes over.

Angostura 9y ago
Although that was a relatively recent addition to OSX. Mountain Lion perhaps?
- pishpash 9y ago
  Nope, not that early.
stanmancan 9y ago
Strange, the trashcan has always turned into the eject icon when dragging volumes for me.
- e_proxus 9y ago
  OP refers to the text besides the icon, not the icon itself, which still says "Trash".

stmw 9y ago

Imagine what Steve Jobs would've said in a meeting today at Apple HQ to discuss this incident. "Can someone here explain to me what is the login dialog supposed to do? ... Ok. Then why the doesn't it do that???"

handedness 9y ago
"You've tarnished Apple's reputation ... You should hate each other for having let each other down." (For the unfamiliar, Steve Jobs re: MobileMe.)

jayd16 9y ago

If you're missing the unix workflow make sure to turn on Bash or Windows or mingw or what have you. Helps a lot with the transition.

akulbe 9y ago
Oh, I definitely have WSL enabled, but there are enough quirks with it that it definitely doesn't help. One huge thing is that stuff you create gets set to 777. In the Windows environment, this is expected. But outside of /mnt/c I would figure that standard Linux perms would be honored. Nope. This has been very inconsistent. That leads me to conclude that my options are either to figure out all the workarounds to do stuff from Windows natively, or keep a Linux VM handy.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  VirtualBox in seamless mode works the charm for me!
dror 9y ago
Or, you could just run Linux. I used to be jealous of people that ran Macs or Windows because they did seem to "just work" better than a Linux machine, though had inferior packaging systems and security features. These days, my Dell laptop running Ubuntu 16.04 seems to have less problems with audio/video in conference calls than the Macs my coworkers use, and there are vendors like Dell or System76 that'll sell you a pre-configured system if you don't want to fiddle with things.
- akulbe 9y ago
  It's safe to assume I considered this option. This won't work for a host of reasons. If it was an option, it'd be my first choice.

dreamcompiler 9y ago

> But it feels like it gets table scraps, compared to the attention given iOS, and iOS devices. This is the iOS on which it was impossible to type the letter "i." iOS may get more attention, but both operating systems seem to have lost the plot on software quality.

jheriko 9y ago

this is a very old problem, at least the quality of security and ease of getting root access when you are physically at the machine... they have /never/ done a good job of this. its not decline, its just exposure... OS X has never been much of a target for security, because nearly nobody uses it... but having gained in popularity since the rise of iOS and introducing bootcamp etc. its getting more attention. "i don't need an anti-virus i have a mac" was something i used to hear... its always just been security by obscurity as far as i have seen. hopefully this will have the opposite effect to what you describe and they might start to take it seriously after being so lucky for years and years...

jmkni 9y ago

A big complaint I hear from people moving from MacOS to Windows is the lack of the Virtual Desktop feature. Windows 10 actually has this, and it works really well. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.howtogeek.com/197625/how-to-use-virtual-desktops-in-windows-10/amp/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.howtogeek.com/197625/how-...

Myrmornis 9y ago

You switched to Windows because you > feel like Apple has stopped giving much attention to macOS despite it being > a painful move, the workflow (so far) isn't nearly as smooth ? I'm curious why you use your choice of OS/hardware to cast a tiny vote on the behavior of a vast corporation, instead of simply choosing the OS/hardware that you prefer. For me, the choice of laptop is too important for me to choose a worse laptop for those reasons.