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For Google, at least, I believe it's 18 months. And that's quite new, it happened after the Oracle fiasco, which had all sorts of goodies like: Subject: Java c

For Google, at least, I believe it's 18 months. And that's quite new, it happened after the Oracle fiasco, which had all sorts of goodies like: Subject: Java class libraries With talks with Sun broken off[,] where does that leave us regarding Java class libraries? Ours are half-ass at best. We need another half of an ass. That came out in discovery.

revelation 9y ago
It is such a shame groklaw is no longer a thing. Another Snowden casualty.
- pjc50 9y ago
  I missed that, how was groklaw connected to Snowden?
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/20/groklaw-shuts-down-as-the-post-snowden-chilling-effect-continues/ https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/20/groklaw-shuts-down-as-the-... https://www.csoonline.com/article/2133906/privacy/groklaw-shutdown-shows--chilling-effect--of-nsa-surveillance.html https://www.csoonline.com/article/2133906/privacy/groklaw-sh... http://www.zdnet.com/article/privacy-concerns-cause-pj-to-close-groklaw/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/privacy-concerns-cause-pj-to-cl...
  - gpm 9y ago
    You can read the post at the top of groklaw.net still, in case that ever changes (unlikely) here is a perma link [0] Basically the author decided that she would rather disconnect from the internet than be spied on. [0] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175
  - deleted 9y ago
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- linkregister 9y ago
  I consider it a failure of journalism editing. Pamela (the author of groklaw) earnestly believed that her communications were being monitored and read by American intelligence services, which was a rational conclusion to draw from the prevailing news stories in The Guardian, The Washington Post, and The New York Times. She was so disillusioned with the perceived trampling of 4th amendment rights that she stopped posting to her blog and moved her email to Lavabit. Such was the breathless nature of the reporting, that the editors and ombudsmen didn't consider that the reporting drew conclusions and made unfounded allegations based off of slide decks. Other countries' government secrets being taken through computers == "they monitor everything." Now with the benefit of the Shadow Brokers leaks, we see that the NSA is severely constrained by manpower, processes, and software bugs. It's practically a joke compared to its perceived might in 2013. I hope that she returns to writing, but I understand if she still feels privacy concerns with the internet.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    > It's practically a joke compared to its perceived might in 2013. But it's a lot worse than we thought before Snowden. And with stuff like this erring on the side of caution seems like a pretty good idea.
    - linkregister 9y ago
      I whole heartedly disagree. Erring on the side of caution got us the TSA, DHS, the War on Drugs, the Iraq invasion, and justifies the continued operations in Afghanistan. Erring on the side of caution is a rational individual strategy in many cases, but it has disastrous collective implications. In a sense, if the editors of those publications had erred on the side of caution, then they could have reduced the drag on commerce and free expression that exaggerated claims yielded.
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        > I whole heartedly disagree. Erring on the side of caution got us the TSA, DHS, the War on Drugs, the Iraq invasion, and justifies the continued operations in Afghanistan. That's nothing to do with the subject, which is an individual no longer comfortable with their online communications. Dragging all this other stuff in has no bearing on that. Besides the fact that quite a few of those entries have absolutely nothing to do with 'erring on the side of caution'.

revelation 9y ago

It is such a shame groklaw is no longer a thing. Another Snowden casualty.

pjc50 9y ago
I missed that, how was groklaw connected to Snowden?
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/20/groklaw-shuts-down-as-the-post-snowden-chilling-effect-continues/ https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/20/groklaw-shuts-down-as-the-... https://www.csoonline.com/article/2133906/privacy/groklaw-shutdown-shows--chilling-effect--of-nsa-surveillance.html https://www.csoonline.com/article/2133906/privacy/groklaw-sh... http://www.zdnet.com/article/privacy-concerns-cause-pj-to-close-groklaw/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/privacy-concerns-cause-pj-to-cl...
- gpm 9y ago
  You can read the post at the top of groklaw.net still, in case that ever changes (unlikely) here is a perma link [0] Basically the author decided that she would rather disconnect from the internet than be spied on. [0] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175
- deleted 9y ago
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linkregister 9y ago
I consider it a failure of journalism editing. Pamela (the author of groklaw) earnestly believed that her communications were being monitored and read by American intelligence services, which was a rational conclusion to draw from the prevailing news stories in The Guardian, The Washington Post, and The New York Times. She was so disillusioned with the perceived trampling of 4th amendment rights that she stopped posting to her blog and moved her email to Lavabit. Such was the breathless nature of the reporting, that the editors and ombudsmen didn't consider that the reporting drew conclusions and made unfounded allegations based off of slide decks. Other countries' government secrets being taken through computers == "they monitor everything." Now with the benefit of the Shadow Brokers leaks, we see that the NSA is severely constrained by manpower, processes, and software bugs. It's practically a joke compared to its perceived might in 2013. I hope that she returns to writing, but I understand if she still feels privacy concerns with the internet.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  > It's practically a joke compared to its perceived might in 2013. But it's a lot worse than we thought before Snowden. And with stuff like this erring on the side of caution seems like a pretty good idea.
  - linkregister 9y ago
    I whole heartedly disagree. Erring on the side of caution got us the TSA, DHS, the War on Drugs, the Iraq invasion, and justifies the continued operations in Afghanistan. Erring on the side of caution is a rational individual strategy in many cases, but it has disastrous collective implications. In a sense, if the editors of those publications had erred on the side of caution, then they could have reduced the drag on commerce and free expression that exaggerated claims yielded.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      > I whole heartedly disagree. Erring on the side of caution got us the TSA, DHS, the War on Drugs, the Iraq invasion, and justifies the continued operations in Afghanistan. That's nothing to do with the subject, which is an individual no longer comfortable with their online communications. Dragging all this other stuff in has no bearing on that. Besides the fact that quite a few of those entries have absolutely nothing to do with 'erring on the side of caution'.