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The restaurant in question is in the Marzhan district of Berlin[0]. [0] https://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/polizeibericht/article212675467/Betrueger-setzten-radi

The restaurant in question is in the Marzhan district of Berlin[0]. [0] https://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/polizeibericht/article212675467/Betrueger-setzten-radioaktive-Spielkarten-ein.html https://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/polizeibericht/article21267... (Article in German)

jxramos 9y ago
"41-year-old restaurant owner. On November 16, her restaurant was searched in the Marzahn street." I'm curious about the identity of the woman and what sort of cuisine we're talking about. Very mysterious.
- pgeorgi 9y ago
  > identity of the woman Suspects are rarely named in Germany. Privacy and all that.
  - majewsky 9y ago
    But they'll frequently describe the race ("Arab", "Mediterranean", etc.) when talking about non-Germans.
    - pgeorgi 9y ago
      Depending on who you ask, they don't do it frequently enough. It also differs a lot by police district, circumstances, and news outlet while the no-naming rule is held up relatively consistently.
      - jxramos 9y ago
        interesting question in general about what identifying information is usually shared: apparently age, sex, and occupation are fair game. Race is maybe, name definitely out. Previous criminal arrests are worth noting too.
  - jxramos 9y ago
    Wow, so does it become released once an arrest has been made? Is arrest data public information in Germany?
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - gegenschall 9y ago
      Plain and simple: No! Except when there is public interest, say politicians committing crimes, etc.
    - distances 9y ago
      Under arrest is still just a suspect. Names shouldn't be released before conviction. I know the US custom draws from the fear of secret courts, but I'm not in the least convinced it's worth the current price of defaming suspects.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    Good thing too. In some other countries the mere fact of being under suspicion for some crime can ruin your life.
    - qznc 9y ago
      There is no definite point, but usually names are usually kept secret until conviction. For people of public interest (e.g. pro soccer player) names can be published earlier. For juvenile criminals names can be made secret even after conviction (including e.g. Google data). Germany seems to balance personal rights and freedom of press differently, giving more weight to the former. Coincidentally, the german Grundgesetz starts "Human dignity is inviolable", while the Bill of Rights starts "Congress shall make no law [...religion...] abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press".
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        If the press would be a bit more aware of/sensitive to the damage they are doing to people's lives rather than to chase the money that would be a great thing. For now though the press can hide behind their freedoms in order to gleefully ruin people's lives with abandon. Good solutions to any problem require consideration of interests, 'unlimited' does harm as well as good and such lack of balance is hard to deal with when you're on the receiving end of it (say as the victim of a false accusation or a crime that eventually leads to acquittal). Also, those freedoms without limits were made long before the Internet and Google came along and those are game changers. Not to be able to adjust to changing times is a bad thing for any legal system.
        qznc 9y ago
        It seems that consumers will not punish the press (enough) for transgressions like this. It seems reasonable that law steps in. I'm quite happy how Germany handles it.
  - freeflight 9y ago
    Really depends on the outlet. Yellow tabloids often release names, ages, and addresses with no regard to people's privacy. Case in point: www.bz-berlin.de has an article about this case listing the full name of the suspect, the businesses in question and even a picture of one of them. For those who really need to know: She's Vietnamese. Weird part being that her name is only mentioned because she supposedly gave an interview to the paper (while opening her door..), yet the only quote from her, in the whole article, is "I can't say anything, I don't know anything".
    - germanier 9y ago
      They only list her first name plus the initial of the last name, as customary.
- 1337biz 9y ago
  Oh come on hn, we can solve this riddle. I found another article - doesn't it say the owner runs a Karaoke Bar and an Asian Shop? http://m.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/polizei-justiz/razzia-in-marzahn-hellersdorf-betrueger-zocken-mit-radioaktiven-spielkarten/20641830.html http://m.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/polizei-justiz/razzia-in-mar... If there is a German native around that should lead us to the name in 10 minutes of phonebook/yelp digging that Marzahn street....
  - orcdork 9y ago
    How about no?

jxramos 9y ago

"41-year-old restaurant owner. On November 16, her restaurant was searched in the Marzahn street." I'm curious about the identity of the woman and what sort of cuisine we're talking about. Very mysterious.

pgeorgi 9y ago
> identity of the woman Suspects are rarely named in Germany. Privacy and all that.
- majewsky 9y ago
  But they'll frequently describe the race ("Arab", "Mediterranean", etc.) when talking about non-Germans.
  - pgeorgi 9y ago
    Depending on who you ask, they don't do it frequently enough. It also differs a lot by police district, circumstances, and news outlet while the no-naming rule is held up relatively consistently.
    - jxramos 9y ago
      interesting question in general about what identifying information is usually shared: apparently age, sex, and occupation are fair game. Race is maybe, name definitely out. Previous criminal arrests are worth noting too.
- jxramos 9y ago
  Wow, so does it become released once an arrest has been made? Is arrest data public information in Germany?
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - gegenschall 9y ago
    Plain and simple: No! Except when there is public interest, say politicians committing crimes, etc.
  - distances 9y ago
    Under arrest is still just a suspect. Names shouldn't be released before conviction. I know the US custom draws from the fear of secret courts, but I'm not in the least convinced it's worth the current price of defaming suspects.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Good thing too. In some other countries the mere fact of being under suspicion for some crime can ruin your life.
  - qznc 9y ago
    There is no definite point, but usually names are usually kept secret until conviction. For people of public interest (e.g. pro soccer player) names can be published earlier. For juvenile criminals names can be made secret even after conviction (including e.g. Google data). Germany seems to balance personal rights and freedom of press differently, giving more weight to the former. Coincidentally, the german Grundgesetz starts "Human dignity is inviolable", while the Bill of Rights starts "Congress shall make no law [...religion...] abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press".
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      If the press would be a bit more aware of/sensitive to the damage they are doing to people's lives rather than to chase the money that would be a great thing. For now though the press can hide behind their freedoms in order to gleefully ruin people's lives with abandon. Good solutions to any problem require consideration of interests, 'unlimited' does harm as well as good and such lack of balance is hard to deal with when you're on the receiving end of it (say as the victim of a false accusation or a crime that eventually leads to acquittal). Also, those freedoms without limits were made long before the Internet and Google came along and those are game changers. Not to be able to adjust to changing times is a bad thing for any legal system.
      - qznc 9y ago
        It seems that consumers will not punish the press (enough) for transgressions like this. It seems reasonable that law steps in. I'm quite happy how Germany handles it.
- freeflight 9y ago
  Really depends on the outlet. Yellow tabloids often release names, ages, and addresses with no regard to people's privacy. Case in point: www.bz-berlin.de has an article about this case listing the full name of the suspect, the businesses in question and even a picture of one of them. For those who really need to know: She's Vietnamese. Weird part being that her name is only mentioned because she supposedly gave an interview to the paper (while opening her door..), yet the only quote from her, in the whole article, is "I can't say anything, I don't know anything".
  - germanier 9y ago
    They only list her first name plus the initial of the last name, as customary.
1337biz 9y ago
Oh come on hn, we can solve this riddle. I found another article - doesn't it say the owner runs a Karaoke Bar and an Asian Shop? http://m.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/polizei-justiz/razzia-in-marzahn-hellersdorf-betrueger-zocken-mit-radioaktiven-spielkarten/20641830.html http://m.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/polizei-justiz/razzia-in-mar... If there is a German native around that should lead us to the name in 10 minutes of phonebook/yelp digging that Marzahn street....
- orcdork 9y ago
  How about no?