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> "I'm sure that Waymo has done some shady stuff too." Please point us to the memo from Uber that proves Waymo is operating a "Competitive Intelligence" team t

> "I'm sure that Waymo has done some shady stuff too." Please point us to the memo from Uber that proves Waymo is operating a "Competitive Intelligence" team that looks more like a CIA Ops team than a Business Intelligence unit. I'll wait. This "2017 and there's Bad Guys on Both Sides" bullshit needs to die.

ohsnapman 9y ago
> "I'm sure that Waymo has done some shady stuff too." TLDR so what? it's completely unrelated to this case. However, because you asked: Google (in the Alphabet family) is being/has been sued/investigated for: - gender pay bias (unrelated to this case) - antitrust by the EU (unrelated to this case) - James Damore is preparing a lawsuit (LOLLLLLL and he has no case, also unrelated to this case) - antitrust by Missouri attorney general (unrelated to this case) - salary fixing with Apple (unrelated to this case) So top level's comment that Waymo/Google has done shady shit is true but ... what is your point? There's plenty of stuff we have evidence for, but there's no evidence they've done anything shady against Uber. Hell, geo division launched an Uber integration, the ventures arm even invested in Uber ...
- awalton 9y ago
  I literally didn't ask, I said Whataboutism and "Both Sides" bullshit needs to die. But for some reason that makes the Uber Defenders League on HackerNews come out of the woodworks to say whatever they can to make Waymo look like the villain in a story whose entire contents is that Uber's lawyers withheld key evidence to Waymo's case and is operating a nightmarish "Competitive Intelligence" group like a 21st century foreign Intelligence Agency, on top of what we already know about police counterintelligence like Greyball. That makes me truly have to wonder if Uber's also operating an Astroturfing/"Grassroots" staff too.
  - vkou 9y ago
    In my defense, the initial tweets were scant on the details, and could have been... Somewhat reasonable corporate policies mis-construed for public outrage. Uber not forthcoming with this information during discovery is another story.
    - denzil_correa 9y ago
      > Uber not forthcoming with this information during discovery is another story. It is THE story.
bllguo 9y ago
Seriously, what's with this widespread assumption that because there are two sides, they must be relatively equal? The amount of harm this absurd belief has caused is immeasurable.
- olympus 9y ago
  That was most definitely not the point I was trying to make, nor was it the question I asked.
- pessimizer 9y ago
  It's just another form of the law of averages, the signature ingredient in the rationalizer's cookbook.
linkregister 9y ago
Why would a wholly-owned subsidiary that has no commercial products need a Business Intelligence arm? Of course Waymo doesn't have anything like that. "shady stuff" != "competitive intelligence team"

ohsnapman 9y ago

> "I'm sure that Waymo has done some shady stuff too." TLDR so what? it's completely unrelated to this case. However, because you asked: Google (in the Alphabet family) is being/has been sued/investigated for: - gender pay bias (unrelated to this case) - antitrust by the EU (unrelated to this case) - James Damore is preparing a lawsuit (LOLLLLLL and he has no case, also unrelated to this case) - antitrust by Missouri attorney general (unrelated to this case) - salary fixing with Apple (unrelated to this case) So top level's comment that Waymo/Google has done shady shit is true but ... what is your point? There's plenty of stuff we have evidence for, but there's no evidence they've done anything shady against Uber. Hell, geo division launched an Uber integration, the ventures arm even invested in Uber ...

awalton 9y ago
I literally didn't ask, I said Whataboutism and "Both Sides" bullshit needs to die. But for some reason that makes the Uber Defenders League on HackerNews come out of the woodworks to say whatever they can to make Waymo look like the villain in a story whose entire contents is that Uber's lawyers withheld key evidence to Waymo's case and is operating a nightmarish "Competitive Intelligence" group like a 21st century foreign Intelligence Agency, on top of what we already know about police counterintelligence like Greyball. That makes me truly have to wonder if Uber's also operating an Astroturfing/"Grassroots" staff too.
- vkou 9y ago
  In my defense, the initial tweets were scant on the details, and could have been... Somewhat reasonable corporate policies mis-construed for public outrage. Uber not forthcoming with this information during discovery is another story.
  - denzil_correa 9y ago
    > Uber not forthcoming with this information during discovery is another story. It is THE story.

bllguo 9y ago

Seriously, what's with this widespread assumption that because there are two sides, they must be relatively equal? The amount of harm this absurd belief has caused is immeasurable.

olympus 9y ago
That was most definitely not the point I was trying to make, nor was it the question I asked.
pessimizer 9y ago
It's just another form of the law of averages, the signature ingredient in the rationalizer's cookbook.

linkregister 9y ago

Why would a wholly-owned subsidiary that has no commercial products need a Business Intelligence arm? Of course Waymo doesn't have anything like that. "shady stuff" != "competitive intelligence team"