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No he isn't. Internet was fine in 2015 because the FCC was working fairly hard to prevent ISPs from shitting it up. Please read the following: https://en.wikip

by ABCLAW 9y ago

No he isn't. Internet was fine in 2015 because the FCC was working fairly hard to prevent ISPs from shitting it up. Please read the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Communications_Inc._v._FCC_(2014) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Communications_Inc._v.... As a side note. I can't help but feel like this comment is insincere - if it isn't, I apologize. Understanding enough about the issue to believe Pai's attempt is a rollback indicates that a poster would have read or skimmed some of the voluminious NN-related material. In every comments section, this 'rollback' argument is trotted out. In every comments section it is soundly refuted with evidence, as it is low-effort FUD. So why does it keep popping up?

ShabbosGoy 9y ago
Because it is a rollback "The FCC will vote on Dec. 12 whether to roll back 2015 rules that prohibit internet service providers from blocking or throttling content, or from selling “fast lanes” so major companies can get speedier access to consumers. Net neutrality activists say such rules are necessary to prevent the internet from being walled off, where access is restricted by ISPs or where certain sites have an unfair advantage over others."[1] Today, certain sites already have an unfair advantage over others due to peering and PNIs. Can my startup afford to put a CDN box and colo @ Verizon? Of course not. So my startup is already at a disadvantage to Google, Amazon, Facebook etc. The end result is that Netflix will have to renegotiate their peering rates. How does this affect the consumer? The short answer is it doesn't. [1] http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/fcc-ajit-pai-net-neutrality-harassment-1202624432/ http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/fcc-ajit-pai-net-neutrality...
- ABCLAW 9y ago
  No, it isn't. Removing Title II classification does not get us back to the rules that governed the internet in 2015. The FCC issued the Open Internet Order in 2010. Verizon sued them within a month. In 2014, Verizon won the case, in part, but the court explicitly recognized that the ISPs represented a serious threat to the internet, as it was, and indicated the FCC had other options for regulating. Within a month following the case, there were widespread public consultations. A month later the FCC said they would act. Shortly thereafter, the FCC went with the only option that remained: Title II classification. The pre-Title II internet had net neutrality. We're moving into a segment of time where that is gone. The rollback of Title II classification does not also roll back the limitations on the FCC imposed by the courts. So no, it isn't a rollback. Stop spreading FUD.
  - parineum 9y ago
    You're saying yourself that it is a rollback. It's just not a rollback to pre-Verizon vs. FCC. It's a rollback to pre-Title II, post-Verizon vs. FCC.
    - ABCLAW 9y ago
      No, I'm not. And no it isn't - to say so is intentionally misleading. The common use of the term rollback is to imply that a server or other system is reset to a previous stored state. We cannot get back to the previous state. Therefore this isn't a rollback. It is a repeal, and not one that puts us back in 2015. There is no going back home.
natural219 9y ago
FUD is the correct call, sometimes. http://clutchofthedeadhand.com/fud/ http://clutchofthedeadhand.com/fud/

by ABCLAW 9y ago

ShabbosGoy 9y ago

Because it is a rollback "The FCC will vote on Dec. 12 whether to roll back 2015 rules that prohibit internet service providers from blocking or throttling content, or from selling “fast lanes” so major companies can get speedier access to consumers. Net neutrality activists say such rules are necessary to prevent the internet from being walled off, where access is restricted by ISPs or where certain sites have an unfair advantage over others."[1] Today, certain sites already have an unfair advantage over others due to peering and PNIs. Can my startup afford to put a CDN box and colo @ Verizon? Of course not. So my startup is already at a disadvantage to Google, Amazon, Facebook etc. The end result is that Netflix will have to renegotiate their peering rates. How does this affect the consumer? The short answer is it doesn't. [1] http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/fcc-ajit-pai-net-neutrality-harassment-1202624432/ http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/fcc-ajit-pai-net-neutrality...

ABCLAW 9y ago
No, it isn't. Removing Title II classification does not get us back to the rules that governed the internet in 2015. The FCC issued the Open Internet Order in 2010. Verizon sued them within a month. In 2014, Verizon won the case, in part, but the court explicitly recognized that the ISPs represented a serious threat to the internet, as it was, and indicated the FCC had other options for regulating. Within a month following the case, there were widespread public consultations. A month later the FCC said they would act. Shortly thereafter, the FCC went with the only option that remained: Title II classification. The pre-Title II internet had net neutrality. We're moving into a segment of time where that is gone. The rollback of Title II classification does not also roll back the limitations on the FCC imposed by the courts. So no, it isn't a rollback. Stop spreading FUD.
- parineum 9y ago
  You're saying yourself that it is a rollback. It's just not a rollback to pre-Verizon vs. FCC. It's a rollback to pre-Title II, post-Verizon vs. FCC.
  - ABCLAW 9y ago
    No, I'm not. And no it isn't - to say so is intentionally misleading. The common use of the term rollback is to imply that a server or other system is reset to a previous stored state. We cannot get back to the previous state. Therefore this isn't a rollback. It is a repeal, and not one that puts us back in 2015. There is no going back home.

natural219 9y ago

FUD is the correct call, sometimes. http://clutchofthedeadhand.com/fud/ http://clutchofthedeadhand.com/fud/