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Re: food safety... > Ayn Rand and Ron Paul walk into a bar. The bartender serves them tainted alcohol. They die. The market reacts and the bar closes because n

Re: food safety... > Ayn Rand and Ron Paul walk into a bar. The bartender serves them tainted alcohol. They die. The market reacts and the bar closes because nobody goes there anymore. Ayn Rand and Ron Paul are still dead.

m00g00 9y ago
Ayn Rand and Ron Paul don't walk into a bar because a bar needs 30 permits that costs tens of thousands of dollars to apply for and months to issue. Instead they go to Applebee's because only big established players can put up with all that crap. The food sucks, they go home unhappy. The next day a local pub is shut down and replaced by another Applebee's and two Subways. Hooray for endless regulations.
mullen 9y ago
Actually, it is really: > Ayn Rand and Ron Paul walk into a bar. The bartender serves them tainted alcohol. They die. The bar stays open because it pays Yelp to remove critical reviews, buys off the local newspaper, pays the local ISP to block websites criticizing the bar and runs a drink specials that people just can't pass up. Ayn Rand and Ron Paul are still dead.
nickpp 9y ago
The bar has some stairs where you could fall and break your neck. Do you need a government regulation outlawing stairs in bars? Bar furniture could break and impale you. Should the bar have a furniture-owning license where they need to learn how to maintain their chairs? And absurd made up examples can go on...
- zaksoup 9y ago
  https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=interpretations&p_id=24960 https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_tab... Well... Also, let’s be clear that regulations about the bar for food quality you will commercially sell to others and what you do in your own home (the furniture example) is obviously a false comparison. Besides the OSHA case for handrails there is, in fact, rules and regulations around the quality of, for instance, mattresses and their potential for catching fire. Ultimately my point is that there is a clear and fundamental difference between regulating what you can sell commercially and what you do in your own home. In addition there is plenty of precedent (and good reason) for regulation that you used as some sort of straw man but in fact actively reduces injury and makes businesses more accessible and available to more customers.
  - nickpp 9y ago
    Yeah I remember California’s fire-retardant regulation, which turned out to be a carcinogen. More regulations solved that too. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cancer-linked-flame/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cancer-linked-fla...

m00g00 9y ago

Ayn Rand and Ron Paul don't walk into a bar because a bar needs 30 permits that costs tens of thousands of dollars to apply for and months to issue. Instead they go to Applebee's because only big established players can put up with all that crap. The food sucks, they go home unhappy. The next day a local pub is shut down and replaced by another Applebee's and two Subways. Hooray for endless regulations.

mullen 9y ago

Actually, it is really: > Ayn Rand and Ron Paul walk into a bar. The bartender serves them tainted alcohol. They die. The bar stays open because it pays Yelp to remove critical reviews, buys off the local newspaper, pays the local ISP to block websites criticizing the bar and runs a drink specials that people just can't pass up. Ayn Rand and Ron Paul are still dead.

nickpp 9y ago

The bar has some stairs where you could fall and break your neck. Do you need a government regulation outlawing stairs in bars? Bar furniture could break and impale you. Should the bar have a furniture-owning license where they need to learn how to maintain their chairs? And absurd made up examples can go on...

zaksoup 9y ago
https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=interpretations&p_id=24960 https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_tab... Well... Also, let’s be clear that regulations about the bar for food quality you will commercially sell to others and what you do in your own home (the furniture example) is obviously a false comparison. Besides the OSHA case for handrails there is, in fact, rules and regulations around the quality of, for instance, mattresses and their potential for catching fire. Ultimately my point is that there is a clear and fundamental difference between regulating what you can sell commercially and what you do in your own home. In addition there is plenty of precedent (and good reason) for regulation that you used as some sort of straw man but in fact actively reduces injury and makes businesses more accessible and available to more customers.
- nickpp 9y ago
  Yeah I remember California’s fire-retardant regulation, which turned out to be a carcinogen. More regulations solved that too. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cancer-linked-flame/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cancer-linked-fla...