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The weird part about people complaining about the Bixby button is the fact they bought it. Like why buy it? Did you not see the button when you looked at the p

The weird part about people complaining about the Bixby button is the fact they bought it. Like why buy it? Did you not see the button when you looked at the product? Did you not read any reviews? So many other phones to select from and users are buying a phone with a button they don't want. Companies continue to get away with these poor design decisions and forcing this system-wide apps because we continue to buy their products.

pavel_lishin 9y ago
> The weird part about people complaining about the Bixby button is the fact they bought it. If it's the best phone otherwise, why not buy it? It's not a deal-breaker; it's just annoying.
- Zak 9y ago
  > If it's the best phone otherwise Is it? I'm not up to date on the latest models, but in the past when I've compared Samsung's flagships to others, there wasn't a really obvious winner. I always found it a little weird that Samsung got such a large share of the market.
  - pavel_lishin 9y ago
    I have absolutely no idea if the actual phone in question is objectively the best one, but it might be the best one for pc86 - except for the Bixby button, which might be the price they're willing to pay for everything else.
  - ScottBurson 9y ago
    The Galaxy Note series is, to my knowledge, the only smartphone on the market that comes with a stylus. Some of us really like that (Galaxy Note 4 owner here). I really wish Apple would ship a phone with a stylus, but we know it's against their religion. His Steveness spake thus: thou shalt not use a stylus with a phone! And it was so in all Appledom.
    - pavel_lishin 9y ago
      Is there something special about that particular stylus? Does anything prevent you from getting a third-party one for a different phone? Or does the phone also have a nifty slot for it?
      - ScottBurson 9y ago
        Yes, the phone has a nifty slot, and the phone detects when the stylus is removed and turns the screen on, a nice touch. Also, I think the touchscreen response might have been tuned for the stylus -- I'm not sure it will work as well with other phones (an Android music player I have doesn't detect the stylus at all). There are other features, like a button on the stylus that the phone can detect a press of, and a small cursor that appears on the screen when the stylus is near but not touching it, but these are less important. Still, I think it's fair to say that the stylus is more useful when integrated into the design.
      - dingo_bat 9y ago
        It's got a full digitiser integrated into the display. The pen can detect 4096 or some such levels of pressure. It can detect hover. The pen and screen work flawlessly underwater. There is literally no other phone with these capability.
    - Zak 9y ago
      LG sells some phones with a stylus and a built in slot for it, but they don't have specs comparable to the Note 8.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > The Galaxy Note series is, to my knowledge, the only smartphone on the market that comes with a stylus. Not quite, but I think it's the only flagship with an integrated stylus. It's also the only one with it's monstrously large screen, and it's aspect ratio, which is a nice combo because it gives you a lot of visible screen content while using the on-screen keyboard. Not the best for everyone's preferences, but there's no obvious substitute for someone who wants Note 8’s distinct features other than Bixby.
  - will_hughes 9y ago
    Depends on your 'needs' and 'wants'. For me there's a ~four-way set of compromises: Stock (or near-stock) Android, Headphone Jack, Excellent Battery Capacity, Quality components. Unfortunately there's nothing that meets all four of those requirements. The Google Pixel 2 is probably as close as it gets, but has no headphone jack - which is a deal breaker for me. After that, it's down to either the Samsung Galaxy range (S8, S8+, Note8) which all have the Bixby button, or LG V30/V30+. Both of these are unfortunately running heavily modded versions of Android that are well out of date, and the LG V30/V30+ have had issues with screen quality and general availability. So, I have a Galaxy S8+ - not my first choice, and I'm not really happy with it (too much Samsung crapware on it), but it's better than the alternatives.
    - Zak 9y ago
      It does appear that there are third-party ROMs for the S8+. I'm not sure if any of them are stable enough for daily use.
ClassyJacket 9y ago
Because every Android phone has annoyances like that. It's not like there's a version of the Note 8 without the button.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> The weird part about people complaining about the Bixby button is the fact they bought it. Because there's a phone identical to the Note 8 but for the button? Just because the Android ecosystem is more diverse than iOS doesn't mean that there is unlimited variation available in the market. I don't want Bixby, really dislike the button placement (too easy to accidentally activate even if I wanted Bixby), but that's not enough to prefer another phone to the Note 8.

pavel_lishin 9y ago

> The weird part about people complaining about the Bixby button is the fact they bought it. If it's the best phone otherwise, why not buy it? It's not a deal-breaker; it's just annoying.

Zak 9y ago
> If it's the best phone otherwise Is it? I'm not up to date on the latest models, but in the past when I've compared Samsung's flagships to others, there wasn't a really obvious winner. I always found it a little weird that Samsung got such a large share of the market.
- pavel_lishin 9y ago
  I have absolutely no idea if the actual phone in question is objectively the best one, but it might be the best one for pc86 - except for the Bixby button, which might be the price they're willing to pay for everything else.
- ScottBurson 9y ago
  The Galaxy Note series is, to my knowledge, the only smartphone on the market that comes with a stylus. Some of us really like that (Galaxy Note 4 owner here). I really wish Apple would ship a phone with a stylus, but we know it's against their religion. His Steveness spake thus: thou shalt not use a stylus with a phone! And it was so in all Appledom.
  - pavel_lishin 9y ago
    Is there something special about that particular stylus? Does anything prevent you from getting a third-party one for a different phone? Or does the phone also have a nifty slot for it?
    - ScottBurson 9y ago
      Yes, the phone has a nifty slot, and the phone detects when the stylus is removed and turns the screen on, a nice touch. Also, I think the touchscreen response might have been tuned for the stylus -- I'm not sure it will work as well with other phones (an Android music player I have doesn't detect the stylus at all). There are other features, like a button on the stylus that the phone can detect a press of, and a small cursor that appears on the screen when the stylus is near but not touching it, but these are less important. Still, I think it's fair to say that the stylus is more useful when integrated into the design.
    - dingo_bat 9y ago
      It's got a full digitiser integrated into the display. The pen can detect 4096 or some such levels of pressure. It can detect hover. The pen and screen work flawlessly underwater. There is literally no other phone with these capability.
  - Zak 9y ago
    LG sells some phones with a stylus and a built in slot for it, but they don't have specs comparable to the Note 8.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > The Galaxy Note series is, to my knowledge, the only smartphone on the market that comes with a stylus. Not quite, but I think it's the only flagship with an integrated stylus. It's also the only one with it's monstrously large screen, and it's aspect ratio, which is a nice combo because it gives you a lot of visible screen content while using the on-screen keyboard. Not the best for everyone's preferences, but there's no obvious substitute for someone who wants Note 8’s distinct features other than Bixby.
- will_hughes 9y ago
  Depends on your 'needs' and 'wants'. For me there's a ~four-way set of compromises: Stock (or near-stock) Android, Headphone Jack, Excellent Battery Capacity, Quality components. Unfortunately there's nothing that meets all four of those requirements. The Google Pixel 2 is probably as close as it gets, but has no headphone jack - which is a deal breaker for me. After that, it's down to either the Samsung Galaxy range (S8, S8+, Note8) which all have the Bixby button, or LG V30/V30+. Both of these are unfortunately running heavily modded versions of Android that are well out of date, and the LG V30/V30+ have had issues with screen quality and general availability. So, I have a Galaxy S8+ - not my first choice, and I'm not really happy with it (too much Samsung crapware on it), but it's better than the alternatives.
  - Zak 9y ago
    It does appear that there are third-party ROMs for the S8+. I'm not sure if any of them are stable enough for daily use.

ClassyJacket 9y ago

Because every Android phone has annoyances like that. It's not like there's a version of the Note 8 without the button.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> The weird part about people complaining about the Bixby button is the fact they bought it. Because there's a phone identical to the Note 8 but for the button? Just because the Android ecosystem is more diverse than iOS doesn't mean that there is unlimited variation available in the market. I don't want Bixby, really dislike the button placement (too easy to accidentally activate even if I wanted Bixby), but that's not enough to prefer another phone to the Note 8.