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I would say HN is far more critical and bullying than reddit, but then again we aren’t trying to lure advertisers

pjc50 9y ago
HN is more critical but less bullying. It rarely tolerates open crude abuse, but has a huge blind spot around "intellectual" bullying such as ""scientific"" racism.
- wanderingjew 9y ago
  HN has a problem with the libertarian hellscape ideology of laws being an impediment to wealth. I would argue this oppressive ideology is far more violent than the dross that's skimmed off Reddit. Additionally, HN is far, far less intelligent than its users would have you believe, but that circles back to the edgelord libertarianism again.
  - thescribe 9y ago
    Ok so I get that you disagree but how is it violence?
    - wanderingjew 9y ago
      Oppression is violence [1]. The willful disregard of laws enacted by a democratically elected legislature (from Uber's disregard of Taxi Medallions, airbnb's disregard of occupancy laws, to 2008-era banking scandals) of the upper class (successful entrepreneurs) is oppression against the lower classes. Usually, this is taken care of through the courts, wherein the judicial system punishes people for crimes -- again, an act of violence. However, in the absence of punishment or a judiciary aligned with the interests of oppressors, the oppressed are morally justified in enacting punishment and responding to violence in kind. [1] Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed, 1967.
      - libertyEQ 9y ago
        Being against socialism is not violence. The idea that the taxi medallion system was anything but a cartel is very crude. I'm not even sure what kind of person writes these comments that are in stark disagreement to the founding principles of the USA. Authoritarian governments are the exact violence the USA was founded to get away from.
        pjc50 9y ago
        > Authoritarian governments are the exact violence the USA was founded to get away from You might want to ask a black person or an Indian for their perspective on this.
        libertyEQ 9y ago
        I don't have to "ask an Indian" because my grandfather is on the Dawes Rolls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Rolls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Rolls
- msla 9y ago
  Not to mention the ageism.
ivanech 9y ago
I doubt anything on HN has ever matched the bullying of r/fatpeoplehate
toxican 9y ago
Critical, maybe, but I don't see rampant racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. all over this site like I do on reddit. People are also generally a lot more snarky and sarcastic on reddit than they are here, which could be perceived as 'bullying' if you're just looking to have fun discussions. But of course with reddit, it's 100% up to you to make it good. Find the right communities, ditch the wrong ones, and you're going to have a great time.
- eropple 9y ago
  > I don't see rampant racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. all over this site "All over," no--it's mostly, though not always, contained to the topics at hand. Most times that Sheryl Sandberg or Ellen Pao or any group that would maybe like to encourage people who are not dudes to learn to code and maybe get a job come up, this has historically bubbled up. Similarly, topics that do not revolve around white (and occasionally South and/or East Asian) men usually come with a sidebar of pseudoscience-cloaked racism or the blurfing of "equality of opportunity" with its implications of inferiority. It has certainly improved since 'dang and 'sctb took the reins. And you can't be an overt meme-turd here and get away with it. But adjusting one's pince-nez and well-actuallying into sexism and racism isn't really better, and on that HN has a ways to go.
wcarron 9y ago
Would disagree. HN is critical in the sense that people actually debate a significant amount of the time instead of replying with memes. Calling spades what they are isn't, in my opinion, equivalent to being needlessly critical. As for bullying, I think we can all agree that vote-brigading, doxxing, trolling, and racist speech are far more prevalent on reddit than HN. /r/fatpeoplehate, /r/the_donald, /r/roastme, /r/murderedbywords being some good examples, not to mention incels and redpillers.

HN is more critical but less bullying. It rarely tolerates open crude abuse, but has a huge blind spot around "intellectual" bullying such as ""scientific"" racism.

wanderingjew 9y ago
HN has a problem with the libertarian hellscape ideology of laws being an impediment to wealth. I would argue this oppressive ideology is far more violent than the dross that's skimmed off Reddit. Additionally, HN is far, far less intelligent than its users would have you believe, but that circles back to the edgelord libertarianism again.
- thescribe 9y ago
  Ok so I get that you disagree but how is it violence?
  - wanderingjew 9y ago
    Oppression is violence [1]. The willful disregard of laws enacted by a democratically elected legislature (from Uber's disregard of Taxi Medallions, airbnb's disregard of occupancy laws, to 2008-era banking scandals) of the upper class (successful entrepreneurs) is oppression against the lower classes. Usually, this is taken care of through the courts, wherein the judicial system punishes people for crimes -- again, an act of violence. However, in the absence of punishment or a judiciary aligned with the interests of oppressors, the oppressed are morally justified in enacting punishment and responding to violence in kind. [1] Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed, 1967.
    - libertyEQ 9y ago
      Being against socialism is not violence. The idea that the taxi medallion system was anything but a cartel is very crude. I'm not even sure what kind of person writes these comments that are in stark disagreement to the founding principles of the USA. Authoritarian governments are the exact violence the USA was founded to get away from.
      - pjc50 9y ago
        > Authoritarian governments are the exact violence the USA was founded to get away from You might want to ask a black person or an Indian for their perspective on this.
        libertyEQ 9y ago
        I don't have to "ask an Indian" because my grandfather is on the Dawes Rolls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Rolls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Rolls
msla 9y ago
Not to mention the ageism.

ivanech 9y ago

I doubt anything on HN has ever matched the bullying of r/fatpeoplehate

toxican 9y ago

Critical, maybe, but I don't see rampant racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. all over this site like I do on reddit. People are also generally a lot more snarky and sarcastic on reddit than they are here, which could be perceived as 'bullying' if you're just looking to have fun discussions. But of course with reddit, it's 100% up to you to make it good. Find the right communities, ditch the wrong ones, and you're going to have a great time.

eropple 9y ago
> I don't see rampant racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. all over this site "All over," no--it's mostly, though not always, contained to the topics at hand. Most times that Sheryl Sandberg or Ellen Pao or any group that would maybe like to encourage people who are not dudes to learn to code and maybe get a job come up, this has historically bubbled up. Similarly, topics that do not revolve around white (and occasionally South and/or East Asian) men usually come with a sidebar of pseudoscience-cloaked racism or the blurfing of "equality of opportunity" with its implications of inferiority. It has certainly improved since 'dang and 'sctb took the reins. And you can't be an overt meme-turd here and get away with it. But adjusting one's pince-nez and well-actuallying into sexism and racism isn't really better, and on that HN has a ways to go.

wcarron 9y ago

Would disagree. HN is critical in the sense that people actually debate a significant amount of the time instead of replying with memes. Calling spades what they are isn't, in my opinion, equivalent to being needlessly critical. As for bullying, I think we can all agree that vote-brigading, doxxing, trolling, and racist speech are far more prevalent on reddit than HN. /r/fatpeoplehate, /r/the_donald, /r/roastme, /r/murderedbywords being some good examples, not to mention incels and redpillers.