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> many web developers even pay attention to browser features What's the point when your business is required to support IE9. > It would be great if there were

> many web developers even pay attention to browser features What's the point when your business is required to support IE9. > It would be great if there were more bootcamps that just trained frontend devs on the latest HTML, CSS, and plain Javascript. Nobody would go there because that's not where the money's at.

tboyd47 9y ago
> What's the point when your business is required to support IE9. EOL for IE9 was almost 2 years ago. > Nobody would go there because that's not where the money's at. That's exactly my point. At some point we need to find a way to guide the indsutry back in the direction of technical sanity. If not bootcamps, then it has to be developers I guess.
- romanovcode 9y ago
  > then it has to be developers I guess. Experience comes with time, most developers sooner or later will realise that writing easy-to-read code on stable boring technologies is much better. I don't think a bootcamp can help with that tho :)
- TremendousJudge 9y ago
  >EOL for IE9 was almost 2 years ago. tell that to the people that use it
  - osrec 9y ago
    And a lot of the firms that use it also tend to be large and have very deep pockets. You pretty much have to cater to their every need, because they pay well.
    - tboyd47 9y ago
      If they can afford to pay me to spend all day writing workarounds for IE9, why couldn't they afford to upgrade their users to a secure browser?
      - shagie 9y ago
        It is much easier and less expensive to pay a developer to keep writing those workarounds than to recertify all of the internal applications to a modern version of IE. Furthermore there is a significant time cost to the testing and deployment of a new browser to all machines. These two times and costs are often several times if not an order of magnitude or more the developer cost.
        tboyd47 9y ago
        Interesting, thanks. I honestly didn't know companies still used IE9. My employers stopped supporting it on EOL.
        megaman22 9y ago
        We have customers that still want support for IE8... The inertia in some of these organizations is monumental.
      - zaarn 9y ago
        You're applying logic to a software issue at BigCorp, that assumption is, sadly, wrong. A lot of the time it's some kind of support contract though. Somebody at some point in time had a brain fart and signed a contract for a Website running in IE9 for the next 20 years and now they will have to support that, cost it what it might.
  - Touche 9y ago
    Why? Those people are not valuable customers.
    - Scarblac 9y ago
      That completely depends on the market you're in. Many governments are still on old versions of browsers and such, and they're also the only type of customer for our products.
    - zbentley 9y ago
      So people in - Healthcare tech - Banking (tools internal to banks) - Aerospace - Government - Academia (think: old internal course-registration tools or professor-used CMSes) - Education ...are not valuable customers? Because those sectors, and many others, are famous for using old versions of software. IE9? Hell, some giant HealthTech companies mandate IE 6 for their customers with no signs of changing. All of those are areas where there is lots of money to be made. There valuable customers in software that aren't only young, tech-literate people clicking on ads in a modern browser. Get outside the bubble.
  - singingfish 9y ago
    IE9, luxury. At least we don't have to support IE6 any more :)
- zaarn 9y ago
  >EOL for IE9 was almost 2 years ago. Not in the real world. In the real world IE9 is very much alive and going ... well, I guess.

tboyd47 9y ago

> What's the point when your business is required to support IE9. EOL for IE9 was almost 2 years ago. > Nobody would go there because that's not where the money's at. That's exactly my point. At some point we need to find a way to guide the indsutry back in the direction of technical sanity. If not bootcamps, then it has to be developers I guess.

romanovcode 9y ago
> then it has to be developers I guess. Experience comes with time, most developers sooner or later will realise that writing easy-to-read code on stable boring technologies is much better. I don't think a bootcamp can help with that tho :)
TremendousJudge 9y ago
>EOL for IE9 was almost 2 years ago. tell that to the people that use it
- osrec 9y ago
  And a lot of the firms that use it also tend to be large and have very deep pockets. You pretty much have to cater to their every need, because they pay well.
  - tboyd47 9y ago
    If they can afford to pay me to spend all day writing workarounds for IE9, why couldn't they afford to upgrade their users to a secure browser?
    - shagie 9y ago
      It is much easier and less expensive to pay a developer to keep writing those workarounds than to recertify all of the internal applications to a modern version of IE. Furthermore there is a significant time cost to the testing and deployment of a new browser to all machines. These two times and costs are often several times if not an order of magnitude or more the developer cost.
      - tboyd47 9y ago
        Interesting, thanks. I honestly didn't know companies still used IE9. My employers stopped supporting it on EOL.
        megaman22 9y ago
        We have customers that still want support for IE8... The inertia in some of these organizations is monumental.
    - zaarn 9y ago
      You're applying logic to a software issue at BigCorp, that assumption is, sadly, wrong. A lot of the time it's some kind of support contract though. Somebody at some point in time had a brain fart and signed a contract for a Website running in IE9 for the next 20 years and now they will have to support that, cost it what it might.
- Touche 9y ago
  Why? Those people are not valuable customers.
  - Scarblac 9y ago
    That completely depends on the market you're in. Many governments are still on old versions of browsers and such, and they're also the only type of customer for our products.
  - zbentley 9y ago
    So people in - Healthcare tech - Banking (tools internal to banks) - Aerospace - Government - Academia (think: old internal course-registration tools or professor-used CMSes) - Education ...are not valuable customers? Because those sectors, and many others, are famous for using old versions of software. IE9? Hell, some giant HealthTech companies mandate IE 6 for their customers with no signs of changing. All of those are areas where there is lots of money to be made. There valuable customers in software that aren't only young, tech-literate people clicking on ads in a modern browser. Get outside the bubble.
- singingfish 9y ago
  IE9, luxury. At least we don't have to support IE6 any more :)
zaarn 9y ago
>EOL for IE9 was almost 2 years ago. Not in the real world. In the real world IE9 is very much alive and going ... well, I guess.