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Once again I learn HN is only good for tech talk... I have not said that any of the current cases are slander. I have said that the general state of laws allo

by gkya 9y ago

Once again I learn HN is only good for tech talk... I have not said that any of the current cases are slander. I have said that the general state of laws allows slanderers to forcefully impact people's lives. But fuck it, everyone is here to find something to attack, some way to demonstrate how they are with the victims. This is like me saying "some dose of alcohol can be lethal" and you going "yeah so you say we ban alcohol consumption because most of the stupid people who die consume alcohol". Good god...

DonHopkins 9y ago
>Even being accused of something can easily ruin one's life, despite the "innocent until proven guilty" principle. Did 16 women accusing Trump of sexual harassment ruin his life? Did it get them sued for slander? Did it even prevent him from being elected president? No, no, and no. Yet Trump is still playing the victim: we are now to believe the Access Hollywood tape that Trump confessed to and apologized for is not only "locker room talk", but actually fake. Poor Billy Bush is a victim for losing his job over something that never even happened, but Trump got elected in spite of confessing to and apologize for something he didn't even do, huh?
- gkya 9y ago
  You're a troll.
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    That's about as weak an argument as you could have possibly made. If you don't like the facts, calling people names won't change them. It sounds to me like you're just projecting. The facts, with citations (although none of this should be news to you unless you have been living under a rock in St. Petersburg): 1) 16 women accused Trump of sexual harassment. What Happened to the 16 Women Who Accused Trump of Sexual Misconduct: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/what-happened-to-trumps-16-sexual-misconduct-accusers.html http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/what-happened-t... 2) It did not ruin his life. Before Roy Moore, major political campaigns have survived sexual assault allegations: http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-just-latest-long-history-men-accused-sexual-assault-during-campaign-707429 http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-just-latest-long-history-m... 3) Trump threatened to sue all the women who accused him of sexual harassment, but never has. CBS's Major Garrett: Why hasn't Trump sued his sexual misconduct accusers? http://thehill.com/homenews/media/360975-cbss-major-garrett-why-hasnt-trump-sued-his-sexual-misconduct-accusers http://thehill.com/homenews/media/360975-cbss-major-garrett-... 4) Trump was elected president. Donald Trump Is Elected President in Stunning Repudiation of the Establishment: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-president.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/politics/hillary-clint... 5) Trump always plays the victim card. Donald Trump always plays the victim card: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/trump-arizona-victim/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/trump-arizona-vic... 6) Trump confessed and apologized for what he said in the Access Holly tape. Donald Trump Apologizes for Lewd Remarks: ‘I Pledge to Be a Better Man’: http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/donald-trump-access-hollywood-1201882204/ http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/donald-trump-access-hollywo... 7) Trump now claims the Access Hollywood tape is fake. Trump now says the access hollywood tape may be fake. He privately told two White House members that he doubts the tape’s authenticity. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-access-hollywood-tape-fake https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-access-hollywo... 8) Billy Bush lost his job over the Access Hollywood tape. Billy Bush breaks silence after losing job over controversial Trump, ‘Access Hollywood’ tape: http://pix11.com/2017/05/22/billy-bush-breaks-silence-after-losing-job-over-controversial-trump-access-hollywood-tape/ http://pix11.com/2017/05/22/billy-bush-breaks-silence-after-... Do you contest any of those well documented facts (for which I could provide many more citations), or are you just going to whine "fake news", dismiss all the proven facts without presenting any proof to the contrary, and call me more names? (Maybe you could make up a racist slur of a nick-name like "Pocahontas" to call me, instead of "troll", which is really not very creative of you. That will really bolster your argument.) You claimed "the general state of laws allows slanderers to forcefully impact people's lives". I've shown you're dead wrong in Trump's case. His life isn't ruined: he's President of the United States. The existing laws DO allow Trump to defend himself by suing his accusers. And he (foolishly) threatened to do that. But the fact that he (wisely) didn't follow through with that threat is evidence that he's afraid of what the discovery process will uncover, because his accusers are telling the truth. What's ironic is that Roy Moore now likely has solid grounds to sue Jaime Phillips and Jamie O'Keefe for libel and win, for falsely accusing him of having sex with her and fathering her child when she was underaged, which is a provable lie, that Jamie O'Keefe coached her and paid her to say. Do you think he'll actually go through with that, or are the libel laws just so unfair to accused rapists and child molesters that he's a defenseless victim? Boo fucking hoo. Do you actually agree with Trump that the First Amendment should be weakened and the libel laws should be changed to make it easier for him to silence the women and who are accusing him and journalists who are reporting on it, without the risk of being subjected to the legal discovery process and suffering any consequences if he's lying? Donald Trump says he wants libel laws more like the UK's: http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/24/media/donald-trump-sue-news-organizations/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/24/media/donald-trump-sue-news-... Trump Wages War on the First Amendment: https://www.salon.com/2017/10/11/trump-wages-war-on-the-first-amendment/ https://www.salon.com/2017/10/11/trump-wages-war-on-the-firs... Trump Won’t Win a Defamation Suit as a Plaintiff, But He Could Lose as a Defendant: https://verdict.justia.com/2016/11/02/trump-wont-win-defamation-suit-plaintiff-lose-defendant https://verdict.justia.com/2016/11/02/trump-wont-win-defamat...

by gkya 9y ago

DonHopkins 9y ago

>Even being accused of something can easily ruin one's life, despite the "innocent until proven guilty" principle. Did 16 women accusing Trump of sexual harassment ruin his life? Did it get them sued for slander? Did it even prevent him from being elected president? No, no, and no. Yet Trump is still playing the victim: we are now to believe the Access Hollywood tape that Trump confessed to and apologized for is not only "locker room talk", but actually fake. Poor Billy Bush is a victim for losing his job over something that never even happened, but Trump got elected in spite of confessing to and apologize for something he didn't even do, huh?

gkya 9y ago
You're a troll.
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  That's about as weak an argument as you could have possibly made. If you don't like the facts, calling people names won't change them. It sounds to me like you're just projecting. The facts, with citations (although none of this should be news to you unless you have been living under a rock in St. Petersburg): 1) 16 women accused Trump of sexual harassment. What Happened to the 16 Women Who Accused Trump of Sexual Misconduct: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/what-happened-to-trumps-16-sexual-misconduct-accusers.html http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/what-happened-t... 2) It did not ruin his life. Before Roy Moore, major political campaigns have survived sexual assault allegations: http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-just-latest-long-history-men-accused-sexual-assault-during-campaign-707429 http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-just-latest-long-history-m... 3) Trump threatened to sue all the women who accused him of sexual harassment, but never has. CBS's Major Garrett: Why hasn't Trump sued his sexual misconduct accusers? http://thehill.com/homenews/media/360975-cbss-major-garrett-why-hasnt-trump-sued-his-sexual-misconduct-accusers http://thehill.com/homenews/media/360975-cbss-major-garrett-... 4) Trump was elected president. Donald Trump Is Elected President in Stunning Repudiation of the Establishment: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-president.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/politics/hillary-clint... 5) Trump always plays the victim card. Donald Trump always plays the victim card: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/trump-arizona-victim/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/trump-arizona-vic... 6) Trump confessed and apologized for what he said in the Access Holly tape. Donald Trump Apologizes for Lewd Remarks: ‘I Pledge to Be a Better Man’: http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/donald-trump-access-hollywood-1201882204/ http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/donald-trump-access-hollywo... 7) Trump now claims the Access Hollywood tape is fake. Trump now says the access hollywood tape may be fake. He privately told two White House members that he doubts the tape’s authenticity. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-access-hollywood-tape-fake https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-access-hollywo... 8) Billy Bush lost his job over the Access Hollywood tape. Billy Bush breaks silence after losing job over controversial Trump, ‘Access Hollywood’ tape: http://pix11.com/2017/05/22/billy-bush-breaks-silence-after-losing-job-over-controversial-trump-access-hollywood-tape/ http://pix11.com/2017/05/22/billy-bush-breaks-silence-after-... Do you contest any of those well documented facts (for which I could provide many more citations), or are you just going to whine "fake news", dismiss all the proven facts without presenting any proof to the contrary, and call me more names? (Maybe you could make up a racist slur of a nick-name like "Pocahontas" to call me, instead of "troll", which is really not very creative of you. That will really bolster your argument.) You claimed "the general state of laws allows slanderers to forcefully impact people's lives". I've shown you're dead wrong in Trump's case. His life isn't ruined: he's President of the United States. The existing laws DO allow Trump to defend himself by suing his accusers. And he (foolishly) threatened to do that. But the fact that he (wisely) didn't follow through with that threat is evidence that he's afraid of what the discovery process will uncover, because his accusers are telling the truth. What's ironic is that Roy Moore now likely has solid grounds to sue Jaime Phillips and Jamie O'Keefe for libel and win, for falsely accusing him of having sex with her and fathering her child when she was underaged, which is a provable lie, that Jamie O'Keefe coached her and paid her to say. Do you think he'll actually go through with that, or are the libel laws just so unfair to accused rapists and child molesters that he's a defenseless victim? Boo fucking hoo. Do you actually agree with Trump that the First Amendment should be weakened and the libel laws should be changed to make it easier for him to silence the women and who are accusing him and journalists who are reporting on it, without the risk of being subjected to the legal discovery process and suffering any consequences if he's lying? Donald Trump says he wants libel laws more like the UK's: http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/24/media/donald-trump-sue-news-organizations/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/24/media/donald-trump-sue-news-... Trump Wages War on the First Amendment: https://www.salon.com/2017/10/11/trump-wages-war-on-the-first-amendment/ https://www.salon.com/2017/10/11/trump-wages-war-on-the-firs... Trump Won’t Win a Defamation Suit as a Plaintiff, But He Could Lose as a Defendant: https://verdict.justia.com/2016/11/02/trump-wont-win-defamation-suit-plaintiff-lose-defendant https://verdict.justia.com/2016/11/02/trump-wont-win-defamat...