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I don't know if it's even possible anymore, but a Slim Jim is even cheaper than that. For those who don't know what a Slim Jim is (not the snack): http://www.

I don't know if it's even possible anymore, but a Slim Jim is even cheaper than that. For those who don't know what a Slim Jim is (not the snack): http://www.autobodydepot.com/AET-SJ2.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsO3zwKfh1wIVXbbACh1RIgraEAQYASABEgIVefD_BwE http://www.autobodydepot.com/AET-SJ2.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI...

Nexxxeh 9y ago
You aren't starting the vehicle with a slim jim. That's what we're potentially talking about here. Opening, and driving off in, a keyless vehicle literally keyless. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42132804/relay-crime-theft-caught-on-camera http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42132804/relay-crime-theft-c...
- jasonmaydie 9y ago
  There's another attack where they just break into the house and steal the keys and drive away. It's easy since most people have their keychains close to the outside entry.
  - QAPereo 9y ago
    Right, but now you’ve added tons of serious extra felonies to your attempt at GTA.
    - ceejayoz 9y ago
      Yep, and significantly increasing the chances of things like getting shot by the homeowner.
      - Xylakant 9y ago
        > Yep, and significantly increasing the chances of things like getting shot by the homeowner. This is very much not an issue anywhere outside the US.
        QAPereo 9y ago
        Shot, maybe not, but stabbed or clubbed or just being beaten into a pulp are worldwide. I’m not making a statement about gun control, just pointing out that the risks of breaking into a home are not limited to firearms.
  - willvarfar 9y ago
    Using the contactless relay is obviously much lower risk.
  - Nexxxeh 9y ago
    At the moment, they're generally fishing through the catflap over here, according to a different police force. But this attack makes no noise (other that opening and closing the doors, and starting the vehicle), and won't set off the burglar alarm in the house, and probably won't be noticed until the vehicle owners go to drive off.
  - pavel_lishin 9y ago
    Sure, but if the car is parked by the house, the occupant is probably inside as well.
Zarathust 9y ago
A slim jim worked because the wires holding the lock were exposed inside the door. An extremely cheap fix was to wrap those with a metal cylinder. I was under the impression that this was standard for at least 15 years but since we're talking about automotive industry, some makers may not even be aware of that yet
- berbec 9y ago
  Even with cars that have the lock cables wrapped, the window has enough play to wedge it open and hit the door unlock button. Most locksmiths (sample size: number of times I've locked myself out of my car) just do that as it has less damage potential than fishing inside the door.
- Domenic_S 9y ago
  A slim jim worked because the lock plunger was physically connected to the locking mechanism. You could pull up on any part of that metal piece to physically manipulate the plunger, thus unlocking the door.

Nexxxeh 9y ago

You aren't starting the vehicle with a slim jim. That's what we're potentially talking about here. Opening, and driving off in, a keyless vehicle literally keyless. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42132804/relay-crime-theft-caught-on-camera http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42132804/relay-crime-theft-c...

jasonmaydie 9y ago
There's another attack where they just break into the house and steal the keys and drive away. It's easy since most people have their keychains close to the outside entry.
- QAPereo 9y ago
  Right, but now you’ve added tons of serious extra felonies to your attempt at GTA.
  - ceejayoz 9y ago
    Yep, and significantly increasing the chances of things like getting shot by the homeowner.
    - Xylakant 9y ago
      > Yep, and significantly increasing the chances of things like getting shot by the homeowner. This is very much not an issue anywhere outside the US.
      - QAPereo 9y ago
        Shot, maybe not, but stabbed or clubbed or just being beaten into a pulp are worldwide. I’m not making a statement about gun control, just pointing out that the risks of breaking into a home are not limited to firearms.
- willvarfar 9y ago
  Using the contactless relay is obviously much lower risk.
- Nexxxeh 9y ago
  At the moment, they're generally fishing through the catflap over here, according to a different police force. But this attack makes no noise (other that opening and closing the doors, and starting the vehicle), and won't set off the burglar alarm in the house, and probably won't be noticed until the vehicle owners go to drive off.
- pavel_lishin 9y ago
  Sure, but if the car is parked by the house, the occupant is probably inside as well.

Zarathust 9y ago

A slim jim worked because the wires holding the lock were exposed inside the door. An extremely cheap fix was to wrap those with a metal cylinder. I was under the impression that this was standard for at least 15 years but since we're talking about automotive industry, some makers may not even be aware of that yet

berbec 9y ago
Even with cars that have the lock cables wrapped, the window has enough play to wedge it open and hit the door unlock button. Most locksmiths (sample size: number of times I've locked myself out of my car) just do that as it has less damage potential than fishing inside the door.
Domenic_S 9y ago
A slim jim worked because the lock plunger was physically connected to the locking mechanism. You could pull up on any part of that metal piece to physically manipulate the plunger, thus unlocking the door.