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A problem with Apple is that you can't change it if something doesn't work for you. If I don't like GNOME or Unity, I can easily switch to xmonad, i3, awesome,

A problem with Apple is that you can't change it if something doesn't work for you. If I don't like GNOME or Unity, I can easily switch to xmonad, i3, awesome, openbox, fluxbox, xfce, lxde, kde, or many other options.

tinus_hn 9y ago
Actually you can, just don’t use Apples OS.
- JoshMnem 9y ago
  I don't, partially for that reason.
dilap 9y ago
yes & no; via the accessability hooks 3rd party programs can change a surprisingly large amount, but obviously it's not as flexible as the complete control you have writing your own window manager. to me the big advantage of apple is there's just so many people running the exact same setup. ~ once a year new stuff comes out, some stuff breaks, it gets fixed. with linux you might be literally the only person running some particular combination of software; you seemed more on your own for fixing stuff. this was years ago, so maybe things have settled down a bit...
- majewsky 9y ago
  > once a year new stuff comes out, some stuff breaks, it gets fixed. Then why is there so much crying all over HN over how hilariously broken any new macOS release is?
  - dilap 9y ago
    lots of users + all-at-once release = lots of crying. but that also means everyone has the same setup, same problems, and stuff gets fixed quickly. that's my experience anyway. it'd be fun if someone tried a side-by-side daily-experience report of say ubuntu, windows, and macOS. our own personal perspectives are always colored by time and chance.
- JoshMnem 9y ago
  Linux works great. It provides freedom in more ways than just the UI. It's interesting that the main attraction of a company that advertises "think different" is to force everyone to use the exact same setup. I've never seen a Mac desktop that looked different from every other Mac user.
  - dilap 9y ago
    glad linux is working for ya. "think different" is mostly just a marketing slogan, but it's also not inconsistent to think that people want to "think different" by working on their shit, not customizing their desktop. :-)
    - JoshMnem 9y ago
      You don't have to spend a lot of time customizing the desktop. It works fine out of the box. The difference is that you have an option to customize the desktop and are not locked in. In any case, customizing one's computer teaches useful tech skills. I've solved many problems that better programmers couldn't solve, because they didn't know basic unix stuff.
      - dilap 9y ago
        totally agree knowing unix stuff is really handy, but mac has all that stuff there too. all it's missing is X and custom window managers (and you can even run that, if you really want to).

tinus_hn 9y ago

Actually you can, just don’t use Apples OS.

JoshMnem 9y ago
I don't, partially for that reason.

dilap 9y ago

yes & no; via the accessability hooks 3rd party programs can change a surprisingly large amount, but obviously it's not as flexible as the complete control you have writing your own window manager. to me the big advantage of apple is there's just so many people running the exact same setup. ~ once a year new stuff comes out, some stuff breaks, it gets fixed. with linux you might be literally the only person running some particular combination of software; you seemed more on your own for fixing stuff. this was years ago, so maybe things have settled down a bit...

majewsky 9y ago
> once a year new stuff comes out, some stuff breaks, it gets fixed. Then why is there so much crying all over HN over how hilariously broken any new macOS release is?
- dilap 9y ago
  lots of users + all-at-once release = lots of crying. but that also means everyone has the same setup, same problems, and stuff gets fixed quickly. that's my experience anyway. it'd be fun if someone tried a side-by-side daily-experience report of say ubuntu, windows, and macOS. our own personal perspectives are always colored by time and chance.
JoshMnem 9y ago
Linux works great. It provides freedom in more ways than just the UI. It's interesting that the main attraction of a company that advertises "think different" is to force everyone to use the exact same setup. I've never seen a Mac desktop that looked different from every other Mac user.
- dilap 9y ago
  glad linux is working for ya. "think different" is mostly just a marketing slogan, but it's also not inconsistent to think that people want to "think different" by working on their shit, not customizing their desktop. :-)
  - JoshMnem 9y ago
    You don't have to spend a lot of time customizing the desktop. It works fine out of the box. The difference is that you have an option to customize the desktop and are not locked in. In any case, customizing one's computer teaches useful tech skills. I've solved many problems that better programmers couldn't solve, because they didn't know basic unix stuff.
    - dilap 9y ago
      totally agree knowing unix stuff is really handy, but mac has all that stuff there too. all it's missing is X and custom window managers (and you can even run that, if you really want to).