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> It's tautological to say that as by definition 1850s white Americans culture is extremely distasteful to a modern HN commenter Which definition would that be

> It's tautological to say that as by definition 1850s white Americans culture is extremely distasteful to a modern HN commenter Which definition would that be?

leohutson 9y ago
We'll perhaps there are some HN commenters that have those values, but I hope not! But 1850's American culture is distasteful to me and also to sullyj3 as they say: "it's manifestly obvious that modern American culture is superior to American culture of the 1850s"
- interfixus 9y ago
  What are "those values"?
  - khedoros1 9y ago
    There was an assumption of the inequality of the races and acceptance of slavery on that basis. That's probably what was meant by "those values". For the regressions, and continuing with my previous assumption: President Trump has been soft on some of the white supremacist groups, for example, being slow to disavow the support of those groups' leaders. This has emboldened some racists to be bolder. Previously, in places like California, racism almost seemed like a thing of a bygone era (at least, it wasn't as overt).
leohutson 9y ago
I can't respond to your other question, but the particular value we were discussing was this: > For instance, by the standard of the general wellbeing of African Americans, it's manifestly obvious that modern American culture is superior to American culture of the 1850s. Shouldn't really be controversial, but America is going through a regression right now so who knows..
- interfixus 9y ago
  Being Scandinavian, I do not really partake of whichever American regressions you may be thinking of. I most certainly admire and find inspirational a lot of the values that built the US from the ground up. Hard work, frugality, dedication, diligence, and self-reliance, to name a few of the qualities that not least Northern Europeans brought to the expanding frontier. Nor did they particularly hold with the slavery ways of the South. Also, you may recall, there was a war fought over that issue.
  - leohutson 9y ago
    How is that relevant to what was being discussed earlier in the thread? It was merely an example. That you share some values with a historical culture is hardly important information, if you look hard enough you can probably find something you like in all cultures, historical and present day.
    - interfixus 9y ago
      > It's tautological to say that as by definition 1850s white Americans culture is extremely distasteful to a modern HN commenter Weak tautology, then. And a squishy definition. 1850s white Americans' culture by and large is not distasteful to me. You may of course invoke 'modern' and a No True Scotsman line of argument.

> It's tautological to say that as by definition 1850s white Americans culture is extremely distasteful to a modern HN commenter Which definition would that be?

leohutson 9y ago

We'll perhaps there are some HN commenters that have those values, but I hope not! But 1850's American culture is distasteful to me and also to sullyj3 as they say: "it's manifestly obvious that modern American culture is superior to American culture of the 1850s"

interfixus 9y ago
What are "those values"?
- khedoros1 9y ago
  There was an assumption of the inequality of the races and acceptance of slavery on that basis. That's probably what was meant by "those values". For the regressions, and continuing with my previous assumption: President Trump has been soft on some of the white supremacist groups, for example, being slow to disavow the support of those groups' leaders. This has emboldened some racists to be bolder. Previously, in places like California, racism almost seemed like a thing of a bygone era (at least, it wasn't as overt).

leohutson 9y ago

I can't respond to your other question, but the particular value we were discussing was this: > For instance, by the standard of the general wellbeing of African Americans, it's manifestly obvious that modern American culture is superior to American culture of the 1850s. Shouldn't really be controversial, but America is going through a regression right now so who knows..

interfixus 9y ago
Being Scandinavian, I do not really partake of whichever American regressions you may be thinking of. I most certainly admire and find inspirational a lot of the values that built the US from the ground up. Hard work, frugality, dedication, diligence, and self-reliance, to name a few of the qualities that not least Northern Europeans brought to the expanding frontier. Nor did they particularly hold with the slavery ways of the South. Also, you may recall, there was a war fought over that issue.
- leohutson 9y ago
  How is that relevant to what was being discussed earlier in the thread? It was merely an example. That you share some values with a historical culture is hardly important information, if you look hard enough you can probably find something you like in all cultures, historical and present day.
  - interfixus 9y ago
    > It's tautological to say that as by definition 1850s white Americans culture is extremely distasteful to a modern HN commenter Weak tautology, then. And a squishy definition. 1850s white Americans' culture by and large is not distasteful to me. You may of course invoke 'modern' and a No True Scotsman line of argument.