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I see what you are saying, but at the end of the day we are talking about trying to categorize literally billions of domains * 65,535 ports per address. Are you

I see what you are saying, but at the end of the day we are talking about trying to categorize literally billions of domains * 65,535 ports per address. Are you really concerned that Comcast is going to come out with tiered services depending on which IPs you want to ssh to? That seems a long way down the slippery slope to me.

voltagex_ 9y ago
Nah, they'll just put you behind CGNAT and limit public IPs to business-grade plans.
- liquidnitro02 9y ago
  Its funny how you think economics will suddenly go out the window as companies race to see who can screw the consumer more. Red tape obsessed telecoms will only spur new competition in the age of 5G where we are no longer beholden to the precious utility lines. If they do what you say, watch how many AdHoc networks popup.
convolvatron 9y ago
why not just whitelist netflix, facebook and whatever other 10s of other services you subscribe to and call it a day?
- blackflame7000 9y ago
  because that's like going to the pool and pretending you went to the beach. That basically ruins everything good about the internet. Who would ever buy a white-list only internet plan without a gun to their head?
  - convolvatron 9y ago
    or some other reasonable lack of choice in the matter? thats where packages and tiers lead. if you want to do anything but use one of the predefined tiers, then its business plan for you. if we offer it. it may be worth it to pay the 10x for you and I, but if it isn't for 80% of everyone else, that would be a pretty big change. that may sound very drastic, but I don't see any reason why in the absence of any regulatory framework why the consumer market wouldn't end up that way in 5 years.
    - blackflame7000 9y ago
      The reason is competition. If internet companies become that bad then I myself will start one that preserves the old way. I'm sure I'd find plenty of backing too because where there's an untapped market there's money to be made. You seem to forget that the very basic principles of supply and demand will always slaughter the pigs. Especially in the new world of 5G and beyond where utility pole lobbying will no longer be such a thorn in small businesses side. You the consumer wield the power with your wallet. Don't do business with any ISP that treats their customers like that. I guarantee that not all ISPs will conform to the same practices because after all they are competing! If tmobile copied everything Verizon does they would be bankrupt. Companies have to act in accordance with what the market dictates, not what ever they please.
      - convolvatron 9y ago
        I thought that was the sticking point all along. with a choice of 10 providers you can imagine supporting all kinds of tradeoffs of access and cost. last mile is a pretty big barrier to entry, with all sorts of capital costs and regulatory hassle. I work in a medium sized US city and the number of providers that will serve my business location is one. I don't think I'm alone.

voltagex_ 9y ago

Nah, they'll just put you behind CGNAT and limit public IPs to business-grade plans.

liquidnitro02 9y ago
Its funny how you think economics will suddenly go out the window as companies race to see who can screw the consumer more. Red tape obsessed telecoms will only spur new competition in the age of 5G where we are no longer beholden to the precious utility lines. If they do what you say, watch how many AdHoc networks popup.

convolvatron 9y ago

why not just whitelist netflix, facebook and whatever other 10s of other services you subscribe to and call it a day?

blackflame7000 9y ago
because that's like going to the pool and pretending you went to the beach. That basically ruins everything good about the internet. Who would ever buy a white-list only internet plan without a gun to their head?
- convolvatron 9y ago
  or some other reasonable lack of choice in the matter? thats where packages and tiers lead. if you want to do anything but use one of the predefined tiers, then its business plan for you. if we offer it. it may be worth it to pay the 10x for you and I, but if it isn't for 80% of everyone else, that would be a pretty big change. that may sound very drastic, but I don't see any reason why in the absence of any regulatory framework why the consumer market wouldn't end up that way in 5 years.
  - blackflame7000 9y ago
    The reason is competition. If internet companies become that bad then I myself will start one that preserves the old way. I'm sure I'd find plenty of backing too because where there's an untapped market there's money to be made. You seem to forget that the very basic principles of supply and demand will always slaughter the pigs. Especially in the new world of 5G and beyond where utility pole lobbying will no longer be such a thorn in small businesses side. You the consumer wield the power with your wallet. Don't do business with any ISP that treats their customers like that. I guarantee that not all ISPs will conform to the same practices because after all they are competing! If tmobile copied everything Verizon does they would be bankrupt. Companies have to act in accordance with what the market dictates, not what ever they please.
    - convolvatron 9y ago
      I thought that was the sticking point all along. with a choice of 10 providers you can imagine supporting all kinds of tradeoffs of access and cost. last mile is a pretty big barrier to entry, with all sorts of capital costs and regulatory hassle. I work in a medium sized US city and the number of providers that will serve my business location is one. I don't think I'm alone.