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Rails 5.2

151 points by moeamaya 9y ago

cgore 9y ago
Active Storage looks nice, and perfect timing for me, I'm looking to add generic file blobs to my toy project in Rails pretty soon.
desireco42 9y ago
As usual, Rails is impresive framework and this update addresses and eases pains (file uploads) and streamlines work (redis and cacheing). Most people unfortunatelly are stuck with old codebases and will have to wait before they can use something shiny like this in daily work. Last few years, majority of my work in Rails is upgrading older apps to current, for security mostly. Really great update, congrats DHH and the team.
- freedomben 9y ago
  It's amazing how many apps for which this is true. I've spent more time in Rails land upgrading older microservices to latest rails. It's pretty crappy work actually.
  - slimed 9y ago
    I too have spent a ton of time doing this. It's a product of Rails architecture and the prevailing design philosophies in the Rails community.
  - desireco42 9y ago
    I am fine with it, I do this as a service for other companies who's developers are too busy with feature work.
    - slimed 9y ago
      Being "too busy with feature work" is exactly the mindset that forces us to spend months and months of developer time every couple of years to upgrade Rails and an ever growing list of other gem dependencies.
      - desireco42 9y ago
        It is hard for managers to organize developers and to uphold for good practices. That is why I created a service so people would not feel guilty, just hire us and we take care of things for you. :)
        slimed 9y ago
        Nice for you. Not so nice for the companies wasting their money on paying you. Yeah, managing software teams is hard. But paying contractors every year to upgrade Rails is malpractice. Can you honestly say that you are capable of going into these legacy systems with thousands of lines of code and upgrading all of their gems, including Rails, without causing regressions? Maybe for a small project your approach is okay but it doesn't scale.
        quesera 9y ago
        If you know rails well and keep current, upgrading is perfectly straightforward, if uninspiring, work. It's a janitorial service of sorts, and it's totally appropriate for some corps to contract it out. It allows the developers with the best knowledge of the business to focus on that, where value is created. Regressions are mitigated by a strong culture of testing.
        slimed 9y ago
        I've spent many months upgrading legacy Rails services. One particular project was upgrading several microservices from Rails 3.1 to Rails 4. The projects made use of Rspec, Test::Unit, and Capybara. There were unit tests, integration tests, and UI tests. There were over 5000 specs in total. The project also used many gems in production to accomplish its tasks. When you are forced to uprgrade: the testing frameworks themselves, the ORM, the web framework, static asset building tools, libraries for managing file uploads, map rendering, etc, all in one go, it's nearly impossible to get it 100% right. We upgraded minor versions one by one. We read the Rails release notes and any gems that had them. Every time we bumped a Rails version we broke thousands of tests. Even after months of meticulous work we had only managed to upgrade 3 of the 4 services up to Rails 4.0, with another stuck on 3.2. Is it possible to work this way? Sure. But it's insane and costly when you let it get this bad. I've yet to work on a large Rails project on a team that outsources their upgrades where upgrading was "perfectly straight forward". It sounds like you work for a company that actually cleans house. A company like that has no need to hire OP.
ghaydarov 9y ago
Kudos guys!
quickthrower2 9y ago
Just 4 comments in 2hrs? Hallmark of a mature technology.
skinnymuch 9y ago
This is a pretty good update from the looks of it. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised by the low votes and comments? I did expect more though.
- desireco42 9y ago
  It seems that Rails for some reason completely falled out of grace. Which is a shame. When you do Rails, you are supposed to uphold to a ton of good practices, that are for most part missing from Javascript world. Elixir is not big enough to have all good Rails people.
  - skinnymuch 9y ago
    Yeah. Bit sad how much Ruby and Rails have fallen from graces. I'm fine with Python so not all bad with wanting something nicer than JS, I just have a kinship with Ruby.
pqdbr 9y ago
Have to say it again: I love Rails. Thanks guys. Active Storage looks amazing.
thebiglebrewski 9y ago
Yay Rails! Kudos to the whole core team for the continued work on the platform.
RailsLover98 9y ago
I love Rails, but for me, it’s missing the Daniel Kehoe style generators. As a web app developer, I don’t want to configure omniauth, capybara, Twitter bootstrap, rspec. Add that ability to the command line like: rails new Blog —configure bootstrap capybara rspec omniauth=github And then it automatically shows up. I get a landing page where I can login with github and get a skeleton spec directory where I can just start adding tests. And I can start using bootstrap css classes in my erb templates and they just work. I love Daniel Kehoe’s work (Rails Apps) and I’m surprised it’s not being incorporated into Rails. His work makes Rails even more approachable and I think Rails is missing Daniel’s little gem. https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer
- sutee 9y ago
  I love that style. Does anyone know if there's anything similar for React/Redux? An alternative to using large boilerplates and having to customize it ...
  - beaconstudios 9y ago
    create-react-app has some basic generators, but I don't know if their system is extensible in the same way that rails' is.
wjossey 9y ago
Currently ending year one of my new startup which is being built on top of rails. It continues to be a remarkably great platform upon which to build a real sustainable business. Thank you to all the contributors who have contributed so far to this release and to all those who will test it prior to GA.
sadiqmmm 9y ago
Rails is amazing! :)
Axsuul 9y ago
Great to see Rails chugging along and focusing
ksec 9y ago
What's coming in 6.0? If this is 5.2 It seems something much bigger is in the work.
baddox 9y ago
Say what you will about Rails, I find it hard not to love, despite having dealt with a couple of large Rails codebases that were woefully out of date and/or ridden with technical debt from programmers who were either unaware of or were compelled to do things against “the Rails way.” I’ve investigated several alternatives that offer significant advantages over Rails, like static type checking or simplicity or security or performance, but I still suspect that I would turn to Rails if I were to start my own web company or any non-trivial web app or API I intended to keep around for a while.
regulation_d 9y ago
Rails introduced me to software development. From the beginning I felt really comfortable in Rails, and that's part of what gave me the confidence to switch careers. I don't write Ruby for a living anymore, but I am super appreciative of all the things the Rails team has done.

151 points by moeamaya 9y ago

Active Storage looks nice, and perfect timing for me, I'm looking to add generic file blobs to my toy project in Rails pretty soon.

desireco42 9y ago

As usual, Rails is impresive framework and this update addresses and eases pains (file uploads) and streamlines work (redis and cacheing). Most people unfortunatelly are stuck with old codebases and will have to wait before they can use something shiny like this in daily work. Last few years, majority of my work in Rails is upgrading older apps to current, for security mostly. Really great update, congrats DHH and the team.

freedomben 9y ago
It's amazing how many apps for which this is true. I've spent more time in Rails land upgrading older microservices to latest rails. It's pretty crappy work actually.
- slimed 9y ago
  I too have spent a ton of time doing this. It's a product of Rails architecture and the prevailing design philosophies in the Rails community.
- desireco42 9y ago
  I am fine with it, I do this as a service for other companies who's developers are too busy with feature work.
  - slimed 9y ago
    Being "too busy with feature work" is exactly the mindset that forces us to spend months and months of developer time every couple of years to upgrade Rails and an ever growing list of other gem dependencies.
    - desireco42 9y ago
      It is hard for managers to organize developers and to uphold for good practices. That is why I created a service so people would not feel guilty, just hire us and we take care of things for you. :)
      - slimed 9y ago
        Nice for you. Not so nice for the companies wasting their money on paying you. Yeah, managing software teams is hard. But paying contractors every year to upgrade Rails is malpractice. Can you honestly say that you are capable of going into these legacy systems with thousands of lines of code and upgrading all of their gems, including Rails, without causing regressions? Maybe for a small project your approach is okay but it doesn't scale.
        quesera 9y ago
        If you know rails well and keep current, upgrading is perfectly straightforward, if uninspiring, work. It's a janitorial service of sorts, and it's totally appropriate for some corps to contract it out. It allows the developers with the best knowledge of the business to focus on that, where value is created. Regressions are mitigated by a strong culture of testing.
        slimed 9y ago
        I've spent many months upgrading legacy Rails services. One particular project was upgrading several microservices from Rails 3.1 to Rails 4. The projects made use of Rspec, Test::Unit, and Capybara. There were unit tests, integration tests, and UI tests. There were over 5000 specs in total. The project also used many gems in production to accomplish its tasks. When you are forced to uprgrade: the testing frameworks themselves, the ORM, the web framework, static asset building tools, libraries for managing file uploads, map rendering, etc, all in one go, it's nearly impossible to get it 100% right. We upgraded minor versions one by one. We read the Rails release notes and any gems that had them. Every time we bumped a Rails version we broke thousands of tests. Even after months of meticulous work we had only managed to upgrade 3 of the 4 services up to Rails 4.0, with another stuck on 3.2. Is it possible to work this way? Sure. But it's insane and costly when you let it get this bad. I've yet to work on a large Rails project on a team that outsources their upgrades where upgrading was "perfectly straight forward". It sounds like you work for a company that actually cleans house. A company like that has no need to hire OP.

ghaydarov 9y ago

Kudos guys!

quickthrower2 9y ago

Just 4 comments in 2hrs? Hallmark of a mature technology.

skinnymuch 9y ago

This is a pretty good update from the looks of it. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised by the low votes and comments? I did expect more though.

desireco42 9y ago
It seems that Rails for some reason completely falled out of grace. Which is a shame. When you do Rails, you are supposed to uphold to a ton of good practices, that are for most part missing from Javascript world. Elixir is not big enough to have all good Rails people.
- skinnymuch 9y ago
  Yeah. Bit sad how much Ruby and Rails have fallen from graces. I'm fine with Python so not all bad with wanting something nicer than JS, I just have a kinship with Ruby.

pqdbr 9y ago

Have to say it again: I love Rails. Thanks guys. Active Storage looks amazing.

thebiglebrewski 9y ago

Yay Rails! Kudos to the whole core team for the continued work on the platform.

RailsLover98 9y ago

I love Rails, but for me, it’s missing the Daniel Kehoe style generators. As a web app developer, I don’t want to configure omniauth, capybara, Twitter bootstrap, rspec. Add that ability to the command line like: rails new Blog —configure bootstrap capybara rspec omniauth=github And then it automatically shows up. I get a landing page where I can login with github and get a skeleton spec directory where I can just start adding tests. And I can start using bootstrap css classes in my erb templates and they just work. I love Daniel Kehoe’s work (Rails Apps) and I’m surprised it’s not being incorporated into Rails. His work makes Rails even more approachable and I think Rails is missing Daniel’s little gem. https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer

sutee 9y ago
I love that style. Does anyone know if there's anything similar for React/Redux? An alternative to using large boilerplates and having to customize it ...
- beaconstudios 9y ago
  create-react-app has some basic generators, but I don't know if their system is extensible in the same way that rails' is.

wjossey 9y ago

Currently ending year one of my new startup which is being built on top of rails. It continues to be a remarkably great platform upon which to build a real sustainable business. Thank you to all the contributors who have contributed so far to this release and to all those who will test it prior to GA.

sadiqmmm 9y ago

Rails is amazing! :)

Axsuul 9y ago

Great to see Rails chugging along and focusing

ksec 9y ago

What's coming in 6.0? If this is 5.2 It seems something much bigger is in the work.

baddox 9y ago

Say what you will about Rails, I find it hard not to love, despite having dealt with a couple of large Rails codebases that were woefully out of date and/or ridden with technical debt from programmers who were either unaware of or were compelled to do things against “the Rails way.” I’ve investigated several alternatives that offer significant advantages over Rails, like static type checking or simplicity or security or performance, but I still suspect that I would turn to Rails if I were to start my own web company or any non-trivial web app or API I intended to keep around for a while.

regulation_d 9y ago

Rails introduced me to software development. From the beginning I felt really comfortable in Rails, and that's part of what gave me the confidence to switch careers. I don't write Ruby for a living anymore, but I am super appreciative of all the things the Rails team has done.