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> > It’s young men queuing with yamakas and shawls and jutting teffilin. Queuing passionately for hours, at events around the world, to see the things that rabb

> > It’s young men queuing with yamakas and shawls and jutting teffilin. Queuing passionately for hours, at events around the world, to see the things that rabbis want them to see. To find out whether they should do things or not. They don’t know how to dress or behave. Television cameras pan across these listless queues, and often catch the expressions of people who don’t quite know why they themselves are standing there. I'm not familiar with all the terms you're using (not sure what jutting teffilin is) but if this was describing a situation in reality I'm not sure I would get my pitchfork out. Also I know this is HN, but in the real world you get laughed at for substituting a race or religion with "gamers" or "sports fans." You might find that unfair or another "great flaw at the core of modern PC culture" but no one has ever genocided gamers, so... Also, gamer and nerd self-criticism and mockery is nothing new. Remember the guy who got famous on Reddit for taking pictures at magic the gathering tournaments, posing behind overweight people whose asses were falling out of their pants? Or all the jokes about how bad conferences smell? Gamers were fine with making fun of themselves. But now that some feel that the criticism is coming from "the cool kids" when often those "cool kids" are just as every bit deserving of the title of "nerd" or "gamer", it's time to get sensitive and play identity politics! Give me a break. Get over yourself. I say this as a hobby video game dev, lifelong gamer, 10-year wow subscriber, DND player... get over it. It's just games.

leereeves 9y ago
Thank you for more clearly demonstrating the hostility and lack of empathy that I'm talking about. Your own words are a better proof of the hypocrisy than anything I could write. When you use fat shaming to support your argument, you've leapt off the high ground.
- chickenfries 9y ago
  I’m not saying that fat shaming is good, I’m saying that it is tolerated by gamers when you are not percieved to be part of some feminist media conspiracy and the reaction to journalists who are percieved to be “not real gamers” is disproportionate.
  - leereeves 9y ago
    It may have been tolerated by some gamers but that's not a reason to tolerate it. So maybe that article was the straw that broke the camel's back. The very fact that you compared that article to fat shaming should show you that the article was "gamer shaming".
    - chickenfries 9y ago
      > So maybe that article was the straw that broke the camel's back. Yes, I wonder why it was THIS particular straw that broke the camel's back. Gamergate was the video-game version of "wake up sheeple, the feminazi jews are running the media!." It's not meaningfully different from the rest of the culture wars. > The very fact that you compared that article to fat shaming should show you that the article was "gamer shaming". I didn't disagree, and tbh, neither does TFA. I'm not here to defend anything anyone has ever said in the media. In fewer words: ignoring the sexist dimension of gamergate is inappropriate revisionism. You're trying to say that there is something SO offensive about that article that it justifies what happened to Alexander afterwards. You also want to twist anything I say into some "example" of how "hosite" I am and how I'm everything wrong with PC culture or something. I'm not interested in continuing to discuss if you don't want to assume my good faith when I haven't questioned yours.

leereeves 9y ago

Thank you for more clearly demonstrating the hostility and lack of empathy that I'm talking about. Your own words are a better proof of the hypocrisy than anything I could write. When you use fat shaming to support your argument, you've leapt off the high ground.

chickenfries 9y ago
I’m not saying that fat shaming is good, I’m saying that it is tolerated by gamers when you are not percieved to be part of some feminist media conspiracy and the reaction to journalists who are percieved to be “not real gamers” is disproportionate.
- leereeves 9y ago
  It may have been tolerated by some gamers but that's not a reason to tolerate it. So maybe that article was the straw that broke the camel's back. The very fact that you compared that article to fat shaming should show you that the article was "gamer shaming".
  - chickenfries 9y ago
    > So maybe that article was the straw that broke the camel's back. Yes, I wonder why it was THIS particular straw that broke the camel's back. Gamergate was the video-game version of "wake up sheeple, the feminazi jews are running the media!." It's not meaningfully different from the rest of the culture wars. > The very fact that you compared that article to fat shaming should show you that the article was "gamer shaming". I didn't disagree, and tbh, neither does TFA. I'm not here to defend anything anyone has ever said in the media. In fewer words: ignoring the sexist dimension of gamergate is inappropriate revisionism. You're trying to say that there is something SO offensive about that article that it justifies what happened to Alexander afterwards. You also want to twist anything I say into some "example" of how "hosite" I am and how I'm everything wrong with PC culture or something. I'm not interested in continuing to discuss if you don't want to assume my good faith when I haven't questioned yours.