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Normally, this is the sort of Alex Jones stuff that I would roll my eyes at dismissively, but given the language is plain in the declassified documents, it seem

Normally, this is the sort of Alex Jones stuff that I would roll my eyes at dismissively, but given the language is plain in the declassified documents, it seems very clear to me that the US at least considered the possibility of a false flag attack. Even just considering it is bad enough. I suspect the reason it was allowed to be declassified was because it was never acted upon. Which then makes me wonder how many other events may actually be false flags which are still classified. I really don't like getting all tin foil-y, but this kind of thing makes me even less trusting of government.

JumpCrisscross 9y ago
> Even just considering it is bad enough The U.S. government is, as it should be, a paranoid bureaucracy. Everything is, and should be, considered.
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- turc1656 9y ago
  I get where you are coming from. And generally I would agree with you. But for something like this, what was considered was, as far as I can tell, something that would violate international law and/or possibly be considered a war crime, depending on exactly what would have been done in the hypothetical situation where this was acted upon. I can't see any legitimate argument for the government considering violating serious international laws.
- MichaelGG 9y ago
  Under what circumstances is false flagging your own citizens warranted? This isn't a contingency like a plan to nuke Canada if they are on the edge of becoming communists.
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    > Under what circumstances is false flagging your own citizens warranted? None, in my opinion. That said, I have not considered the question deeply enough to conclude that it is never appropriate. In any case, that isn't what the document [1] is about. Paragraph 5 mentions the "possibility" of various things. Our government should know how others within itself, perhaps with nefarious purposes, might conduct a "deception operation" against it. More specifically, ¶ 5 mentions operations in which "Soviet aircraft would appear to attack U.S. or friendly installations". Providing the appearance of something is not necessarily doing it. I also do not think false flag operations conducted against foreign countries are as ethically off the table as those against one's self. TL; DR There are legitimate reasons for studying how false flag operations may be done. [1] https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32977055.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-3...

JumpCrisscross 9y ago

> Even just considering it is bad enough The U.S. government is, as it should be, a paranoid bureaucracy. Everything is, and should be, considered.

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turc1656 9y ago
I get where you are coming from. And generally I would agree with you. But for something like this, what was considered was, as far as I can tell, something that would violate international law and/or possibly be considered a war crime, depending on exactly what would have been done in the hypothetical situation where this was acted upon. I can't see any legitimate argument for the government considering violating serious international laws.
MichaelGG 9y ago
Under what circumstances is false flagging your own citizens warranted? This isn't a contingency like a plan to nuke Canada if they are on the edge of becoming communists.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago
  > Under what circumstances is false flagging your own citizens warranted? None, in my opinion. That said, I have not considered the question deeply enough to conclude that it is never appropriate. In any case, that isn't what the document [1] is about. Paragraph 5 mentions the "possibility" of various things. Our government should know how others within itself, perhaps with nefarious purposes, might conduct a "deception operation" against it. More specifically, ¶ 5 mentions operations in which "Soviet aircraft would appear to attack U.S. or friendly installations". Providing the appearance of something is not necessarily doing it. I also do not think false flag operations conducted against foreign countries are as ethically off the table as those against one's self. TL; DR There are legitimate reasons for studying how false flag operations may be done. [1] https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32977055.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-3...