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Does members having a tracker free access ? Because it seems fair that if you pay you are not in the "if it's free you're the product" anymore. It's important

Does members having a tracker free access ? Because it seems fair that if you pay you are not in the "if it's free you're the product" anymore. It's important to move to this model.

xxs 9y ago
Well, how do you get tracker free if you are already logged in. Tracking user action on its own is not a sin as business should know what customers are interested in. Selling the data to 3rd parties (and organizing the entire operation to support) is the dirty gray area.
- floatboth 9y ago
  Third party scripts is what everyone is talking about, yeah. Good example: MetaFilter does not show Google Ads to logged-in members.
cJ0th 9y ago
At least they promise an ad-free mobile experience. So there's a small chance they don't release the trackers on you. https://membership.theguardian.com/eu/supporter?INTCMP=NGW_FOOTER_INT_GU_MEMBERSHIP&acquisitionData=%7B%22source%22%3A%22GUARDIAN_WEB%22%2C%22componentType%22%3A%22ACQUISITIONS_FOOTER%22%2C%22componentId%22%3A%22NGW_FOOTER_INT_GU_MEMBERSHIP%22%2C%22campaignCode%22%3A%22NGW_FOOTER_INT_GU_MEMBERSHIP%22%2C%22referrerPageviewId%22%3A%22jai8k626sk5jw4kumoau%22%2C%22referrerUrl%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Finternational%22%7D https://membership.theguardian.com/eu/supporter?INTCMP=NGW_F...
Cthulhu_ 9y ago
If you want tracker-free, just install the relevant blockers; you shouldn't have to pay to have those removed if you don't want them, and likewise / on the other hand, the Guardian will want to gather usage statistics from unsubscribed and subscribed parties both. So if you care about trackers, enable do-not-track and set up your tracker blocker.
untog 9y ago
It would be difficult to implement a membership model that doesn't have some tracking of whether you are a member or not. Exemption from third party trackers I totally agree with though.
- dullgiulio 9y ago
  I think that could be done with anonymous tokens, like PrivacyPass.

Does members having a tracker free access ? Because it seems fair that if you pay you are not in the "if it's free you're the product" anymore. It's important to move to this model.

xxs 9y ago

Well, how do you get tracker free if you are already logged in. Tracking user action on its own is not a sin as business should know what customers are interested in. Selling the data to 3rd parties (and organizing the entire operation to support) is the dirty gray area.

floatboth 9y ago
Third party scripts is what everyone is talking about, yeah. Good example: MetaFilter does not show Google Ads to logged-in members.

cJ0th 9y ago

At least they promise an ad-free mobile experience. So there's a small chance they don't release the trackers on you. https://membership.theguardian.com/eu/supporter?INTCMP=NGW_FOOTER_INT_GU_MEMBERSHIP&acquisitionData=%7B%22source%22%3A%22GUARDIAN_WEB%22%2C%22componentType%22%3A%22ACQUISITIONS_FOOTER%22%2C%22componentId%22%3A%22NGW_FOOTER_INT_GU_MEMBERSHIP%22%2C%22campaignCode%22%3A%22NGW_FOOTER_INT_GU_MEMBERSHIP%22%2C%22referrerPageviewId%22%3A%22jai8k626sk5jw4kumoau%22%2C%22referrerUrl%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Finternational%22%7D https://membership.theguardian.com/eu/supporter?INTCMP=NGW_F...

Cthulhu_ 9y ago

If you want tracker-free, just install the relevant blockers; you shouldn't have to pay to have those removed if you don't want them, and likewise / on the other hand, the Guardian will want to gather usage statistics from unsubscribed and subscribed parties both. So if you care about trackers, enable do-not-track and set up your tracker blocker.

untog 9y ago

It would be difficult to implement a membership model that doesn't have some tracking of whether you are a member or not. Exemption from third party trackers I totally agree with though.

dullgiulio 9y ago
I think that could be done with anonymous tokens, like PrivacyPass.