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As much as I dislike Facebook. We have to stop to tell them they are responsible for anything. It's fully our fault whatever one can say is Facebooks. Everythin

by herbst 9y ago

As much as I dislike Facebook. We have to stop to tell them they are responsible for anything. It's fully our fault whatever one can say is Facebooks. Everything else is just censorship and just as bad. There is no such thing as responsible censorship. One side will always get pissed and who are we or Facebook to decide what's right.

ashleyn 9y ago
If it's a fully private entity like Facebook, is it truly "censorship" in the derisive sense that we associate with it? If a user on Facebook posts aggressive and distasteful white identity propaganda which begins alienating other users, do Facebook and its advertisers not have the right to use the platform they created to exclude such content should they desire to do so? Does a fictitious "right to be heard" from a privately-administered entity supersede Facebook's actual right to property and self-determination over that property? If "censorship" is truly a problem here, only another free-market alternative to Facebook is the correct solution. Gab did it with Twitter. Now, whether or not Gab will ever be as successful as Twitter because of the userbase it curates is an entirely different story. One is not entitled to a specific outcome, and if rejecting racism is what makes big business big, there's not much left that the other side of this debate can complain about.
- herbst 9y ago
  This is exactly censorship. If people want to listen They listen. If not than not. Pretty selecting based on YOUR opinion is and always will be censorship
yequalsx 9y ago
I strongly disagree that there is no such thing as responsible censorship. Furthermore censorship is not always, "...just as bad." As an extreme example of good censorship look at child pornography. We have laws that prohibit speech in the form of harassment. Some countries prohibit anti-abortion protestors from harassing women trying to get an abortion. There are lots of cases where censorship is good.
- herbst 9y ago
  Anti harassment is not censorship. 'in your face' is different to having the info somewhere when you want it. (which is the case with Facebook because you can simply ignore or unfollow users and groups with opinions you don't like)

by herbst 9y ago

ashleyn 9y ago

If it's a fully private entity like Facebook, is it truly "censorship" in the derisive sense that we associate with it? If a user on Facebook posts aggressive and distasteful white identity propaganda which begins alienating other users, do Facebook and its advertisers not have the right to use the platform they created to exclude such content should they desire to do so? Does a fictitious "right to be heard" from a privately-administered entity supersede Facebook's actual right to property and self-determination over that property? If "censorship" is truly a problem here, only another free-market alternative to Facebook is the correct solution. Gab did it with Twitter. Now, whether or not Gab will ever be as successful as Twitter because of the userbase it curates is an entirely different story. One is not entitled to a specific outcome, and if rejecting racism is what makes big business big, there's not much left that the other side of this debate can complain about.

herbst 9y ago
This is exactly censorship. If people want to listen They listen. If not than not. Pretty selecting based on YOUR opinion is and always will be censorship

yequalsx 9y ago

I strongly disagree that there is no such thing as responsible censorship. Furthermore censorship is not always, "...just as bad." As an extreme example of good censorship look at child pornography. We have laws that prohibit speech in the form of harassment. Some countries prohibit anti-abortion protestors from harassing women trying to get an abortion. There are lots of cases where censorship is good.

herbst 9y ago
Anti harassment is not censorship. 'in your face' is different to having the info somewhere when you want it. (which is the case with Facebook because you can simply ignore or unfollow users and groups with opinions you don't like)