> improving the products way outside of what competitors believed was even possible None of their competitors have said anything Tesla has done is impossible,

> improving the products way outside of what competitors believed was even possible None of their competitors have said anything Tesla has done is impossible, merely that it's been (and remains) unprofitable without crazy VC funding that Tesla is tapping into. > by iterating crazy fast on their ideas -- something that conventional car companies will not be able to do On the flipside - did you ever hear of conventional car companies with the kind of problems Tesla has, where they've overpromised/underdelivered on production rates by 20x - 30x? And they're stuck on elementary things like they don't know how to automate welding metal bits together? > by showing they can maintain exponential growth until they are dominant force in the market Can you show me the numbers supporting that claim? Tesla growth e.g. in number of vehicles sold from 2010 to 2016 isn't very different from the total automobile market in the US, which also grew almost 2x in the same period. If you look at it quarter by quarter, it's obviously linear growth for each of their models (Model S, Model X). And their total numbers for cars sold, revenue, income etc. remains at the sub-one-percent level as compared to GM, Ford etc.