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Sure, if the customer's contract says that their packets need to all be treated with equal priority. But the whole point in repealing net-neutrality is to allo

Sure, if the customer's contract says that their packets need to all be treated with equal priority. But the whole point in repealing net-neutrality is to allow for contracts which don't need to treat all packets with equal priority. In that case the ISP isn't violating the contract and the customer wanting to spend %100 of their bandwidth talking to netflix for instance is the ISP's business too.

unityByFreedom 9y ago
> In that case the ISP isn't violating the contract and the customer wanting to spend %100 of their bandwidth talking to netflix for instance is the ISP's business too That's garbage. I don't need my ISP shaking down the content business to be able to put their own content up front while requiring payment from others for equal level treatment. Taxpayers built this infrastructure and there are still regional broadband monopolies all over the place. It's entirely anti-consumer. We built the damned thing in the first place with the agreement there would be sufficient service. Fact is, our service is lousy, even in many dense urban areas! We should stand up together and vote this anti-NN crap down, regardless of whether it takes 2 weeks or 2 years.
- jnordwick 9y ago
  Take a down vote for trying to shut down discussion.
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  > "Taxpayers built this infrastructure" ARPANET became obsolete and made redundant by private backbone providers, and so was decommissioned in 1990.
  - unityByFreedom 9y ago
    Taxpayers have done more than ARPANET. This is about the 1996 Telecom Act, and how the public has allowed private companies to acquire regional monopolies while using public resources.
- rhino369 9y ago
  >Taxpayers built this infrastructure and there are still regional broadband monopolies all over the place. Taxpayers building modern ISP infrastructure is a myth. Very little public money went to last mile ISPs. In fact, they are typically taxed fairly highly by local governments. Governments see ISPs are a money raising source not a place to spend money . There are still regional "telecom" companies like AT&T and Verizon, but they don't have monopolies over ISP service. In most areas its actually the cable company that has more customers.
  - unityByFreedom 9y ago
    > Taxpayers building modern ISP infrastructure is a myth. The deregulatory 1996 Telecom Act included provisions for a particular level of broadband penetration and performance. Those provisions were not met. Instead, now we have an FCC trying to reclassify broadband to 10 Mbps. Look at the distribution of throughput speeds in the green image posted here [1]. ISPs haven't fulfill their end of the deal with regards to speeds, and the country is mostly covered by regional broadband monopolies. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/5/15191048/fcc-chairman-ajit-pai-comcast-verizon-home-internet https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/5/15191048/fcc-chairman-ajit...
muninn_ 9y ago
Which is bad and what we don’t want.
rebuilder 9y ago
Yes, I think we all know what the idea behind repealing NN is. Most here think it's a bad idea.
phkahler 9y ago
If the ISP wants to be involved in monitoring and regulating (or charging differently depending) where your packets go, then they can be liable for providing child pornography, being a party to all copyright infringements, etc... If they want to take action depending on the data, then they can be held liable for the data as well. This is why the telcos wanted "common carrier" status in the first place. But now they're too greedy having seen the cable TV model where they get to charge rent on both ends for content they didn't even create.
- return0 9y ago
  Aren’t they already? I thought they are the ones sending warnings about piracy etc. Also, its not like youtube, fb etc. Create their own content
  - TimTheTinker 9y ago
    No, they’re not. Regarding ISPs creating original content, they have tried that and the quality of their stuff just couldn’t stand next to Google, Facebook, etc. I think we all know a relative who used the “install CD” that came with their 2000s-era ISP and ended up with a junk homepage & browser toolbars, and “ask Jeeves” as their default search engine.
    - return0 9y ago
      are you implying that google or facebook create original content?
      - TimTheTinker 9y ago
        I’m implying that the quality of their apps/services makes them worth visiting on the web.

unityByFreedom 9y ago

> In that case the ISP isn't violating the contract and the customer wanting to spend %100 of their bandwidth talking to netflix for instance is the ISP's business too That's garbage. I don't need my ISP shaking down the content business to be able to put their own content up front while requiring payment from others for equal level treatment. Taxpayers built this infrastructure and there are still regional broadband monopolies all over the place. It's entirely anti-consumer. We built the damned thing in the first place with the agreement there would be sufficient service. Fact is, our service is lousy, even in many dense urban areas! We should stand up together and vote this anti-NN crap down, regardless of whether it takes 2 weeks or 2 years.

jnordwick 9y ago
Take a down vote for trying to shut down discussion.
em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
> "Taxpayers built this infrastructure" ARPANET became obsolete and made redundant by private backbone providers, and so was decommissioned in 1990.
- unityByFreedom 9y ago
  Taxpayers have done more than ARPANET. This is about the 1996 Telecom Act, and how the public has allowed private companies to acquire regional monopolies while using public resources.
rhino369 9y ago
>Taxpayers built this infrastructure and there are still regional broadband monopolies all over the place. Taxpayers building modern ISP infrastructure is a myth. Very little public money went to last mile ISPs. In fact, they are typically taxed fairly highly by local governments. Governments see ISPs are a money raising source not a place to spend money . There are still regional "telecom" companies like AT&T and Verizon, but they don't have monopolies over ISP service. In most areas its actually the cable company that has more customers.
- unityByFreedom 9y ago
  > Taxpayers building modern ISP infrastructure is a myth. The deregulatory 1996 Telecom Act included provisions for a particular level of broadband penetration and performance. Those provisions were not met. Instead, now we have an FCC trying to reclassify broadband to 10 Mbps. Look at the distribution of throughput speeds in the green image posted here [1]. ISPs haven't fulfill their end of the deal with regards to speeds, and the country is mostly covered by regional broadband monopolies. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/5/15191048/fcc-chairman-ajit-pai-comcast-verizon-home-internet https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/5/15191048/fcc-chairman-ajit...

muninn_ 9y ago

Which is bad and what we don’t want.

rebuilder 9y ago

Yes, I think we all know what the idea behind repealing NN is. Most here think it's a bad idea.

phkahler 9y ago

If the ISP wants to be involved in monitoring and regulating (or charging differently depending) where your packets go, then they can be liable for providing child pornography, being a party to all copyright infringements, etc... If they want to take action depending on the data, then they can be held liable for the data as well. This is why the telcos wanted "common carrier" status in the first place. But now they're too greedy having seen the cable TV model where they get to charge rent on both ends for content they didn't even create.

return0 9y ago
Aren’t they already? I thought they are the ones sending warnings about piracy etc. Also, its not like youtube, fb etc. Create their own content
- TimTheTinker 9y ago
  No, they’re not. Regarding ISPs creating original content, they have tried that and the quality of their stuff just couldn’t stand next to Google, Facebook, etc. I think we all know a relative who used the “install CD” that came with their 2000s-era ISP and ended up with a junk homepage & browser toolbars, and “ask Jeeves” as their default search engine.
  - return0 9y ago
    are you implying that google or facebook create original content?
    - TimTheTinker 9y ago
      I’m implying that the quality of their apps/services makes them worth visiting on the web.