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I got the last mac book pro at work, coming from a 2015 model I use at home. Pro : - it is lighter. I don't really find it is a very relevant pro, the previou

I got the last mac book pro at work, coming from a 2015 model I use at home. Pro : - it is lighter. I don't really find it is a very relevant pro, the previous one is already a light device so this isn't really relevant but it would not be fair to do not list it. - touch id is very convenient. It has one huge caveat : it is very capricious. For example each time the mbp crashes, fingerprints are automatically deleted. I guess it is a security measure, but it makes it a pain to register my fingers again since the machine is not that stable. Meh : - the touchpad is extremely large, I am not sure why. I had no problem with the old one. I sometimes tap on the pad by mistake but that does not happen often. Cons : -Touchbar : I can't wrap my mind around it. It is just bad. This is such a gimmick, and a badly implemented one. I can't count the number of times I mistyped on this band. Accessing a feature almost always take more time than with the old regular keyboard. On top of that, I really miss the tactility of a simple button. I am used to type without looking at the keyboard and with buttons you can't press it is far from comfortable to do so. I am on the verge of just using a dedicated keyboard and touchpad just to do not have to use this touchbar. It makes me very uncomfortable, but the high end machine my company bought for me is objectively less suited to my use case than the 2 years old one I have at home. It is the first time that even after a couple of months, I can't get used to a new machine and long to go back to the last one.

on_and_off 9y ago
Another minor cons is that just came to mind is that there is no longer an indicator on the keyboard's bezel giving you the position of the ports. It was pretty useful but Apple has discarded them.. That's too bad, even something really discrete like a line or even a point would be great. Lastly : magsafe was great. I am all for a future where we use USB-c but is it impossible to have a magnetic adapter on the powerplug cable ?
- mistersquid 9y ago
  > Another minor cons is that just came to mind is that there is no longer > an indicator on the keyboard's bezel giving you the position of the > ports. On the 2016 MacBook Pro 15 the top of the speaker grill lines up with the top edge of the Touch Bar which lines up with the top edge of the plugs on Apple USB C cables. To my eyes, this "line" seems characteristic of Apple engineering.
  - on_and_off 9y ago
    The bottom usb port does not really line up with anything though. That's a very minor grievance though, especially compared to touchbar.
bearbearbear 9y ago
I bought a Macbook pro for personal use in 2013. Pros: Just about everything. Cons: The X key stopped working. Apple charged me $400 to fix it. Then the G key stopped working 8 months later. Apple wanted to charge me another $400 to fix it again, and I can't afford that. So now I have a beautiful, useless slab of metal and glass sitting on my endtable and I'm using a Chromebook I bought for $80 as my primary computer. You see, I have the letter G in my disk unlock password, and every time the computer powers up it immediately starts ghost typing the letter G, causing the OS to disable the letter G globally, so plugging in an external keyboard doesn't let me type a G to unlock the disk, either.
pfg 9y ago
I agree with most of this. I switched from a 13" MBP of the previous design to a 15" 2016 MBP. I do appreciate the size and weight reduction - the new one barely feels larger or heavier than my previous 13" MBP. I like the feel of the keyboard, but the keys are very unreliable - I've had a couple of keys fail to register or start to register twice for every key press (which I was luckily able to fix on my own with some gas duster and by tapping the key fast for a while.) I haven't found any use for the TouchBar. > For example each time the mbp crashes, fingerprints are automatically deleted. What kind of crash are you referring to? I've had my 2016 MBP for about a year now, with a couple of freezes/black screens, but I haven't had to re-register my fingerprints at all. I assume you're not just referring to the mandatory password entry after reboot?
- dsego 9y ago
  I also have the issue of some keys repeating letters. Also, had to replace several keycaps, the tiny clamps are too weak and get loose, so the keycaps start to wobble and pop out.
nouveaux 9y ago
I have the 2017 MBP 15" and had my laptop crash several times (htop bug). My fingerprints have never been deleted. Have you verified that it is indeed a security measure? If it is not a security measure, it might be something worth taking the it in to get more scrutiny. Best of luck with the laptop.
- on_and_off 9y ago
  Hard to say, I updated the OS recently and I have way less crashes. Maybe it only erases prints recorded since the last restart ? I googled a bit when it happened and it was explained as a security feature.
  - kayoone 9y ago
    I've been using a Macbook 2016 for a year but i have never had the fingerprints deleted. That sounds super annoying.

on_and_off 9y ago

Another minor cons is that just came to mind is that there is no longer an indicator on the keyboard's bezel giving you the position of the ports. It was pretty useful but Apple has discarded them.. That's too bad, even something really discrete like a line or even a point would be great. Lastly : magsafe was great. I am all for a future where we use USB-c but is it impossible to have a magnetic adapter on the powerplug cable ?

mistersquid 9y ago
> Another minor cons is that just came to mind is that there is no longer > an indicator on the keyboard's bezel giving you the position of the > ports. On the 2016 MacBook Pro 15 the top of the speaker grill lines up with the top edge of the Touch Bar which lines up with the top edge of the plugs on Apple USB C cables. To my eyes, this "line" seems characteristic of Apple engineering.
- on_and_off 9y ago
  The bottom usb port does not really line up with anything though. That's a very minor grievance though, especially compared to touchbar.

bearbearbear 9y ago

I bought a Macbook pro for personal use in 2013. Pros: Just about everything. Cons: The X key stopped working. Apple charged me $400 to fix it. Then the G key stopped working 8 months later. Apple wanted to charge me another $400 to fix it again, and I can't afford that. So now I have a beautiful, useless slab of metal and glass sitting on my endtable and I'm using a Chromebook I bought for $80 as my primary computer. You see, I have the letter G in my disk unlock password, and every time the computer powers up it immediately starts ghost typing the letter G, causing the OS to disable the letter G globally, so plugging in an external keyboard doesn't let me type a G to unlock the disk, either.

pfg 9y ago

I agree with most of this. I switched from a 13" MBP of the previous design to a 15" 2016 MBP. I do appreciate the size and weight reduction - the new one barely feels larger or heavier than my previous 13" MBP. I like the feel of the keyboard, but the keys are very unreliable - I've had a couple of keys fail to register or start to register twice for every key press (which I was luckily able to fix on my own with some gas duster and by tapping the key fast for a while.) I haven't found any use for the TouchBar. > For example each time the mbp crashes, fingerprints are automatically deleted. What kind of crash are you referring to? I've had my 2016 MBP for about a year now, with a couple of freezes/black screens, but I haven't had to re-register my fingerprints at all. I assume you're not just referring to the mandatory password entry after reboot?

dsego 9y ago
I also have the issue of some keys repeating letters. Also, had to replace several keycaps, the tiny clamps are too weak and get loose, so the keycaps start to wobble and pop out.

nouveaux 9y ago

I have the 2017 MBP 15" and had my laptop crash several times (htop bug). My fingerprints have never been deleted. Have you verified that it is indeed a security measure? If it is not a security measure, it might be something worth taking the it in to get more scrutiny. Best of luck with the laptop.

on_and_off 9y ago
Hard to say, I updated the OS recently and I have way less crashes. Maybe it only erases prints recorded since the last restart ? I googled a bit when it happened and it was explained as a security feature.
- kayoone 9y ago
  I've been using a Macbook 2016 for a year but i have never had the fingerprints deleted. That sounds super annoying.