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Reading comments, it is not as black or white as it initially looks. There is definite effect that can be observed, with say 80+% of users. I can't overstate t

Reading comments, it is not as black or white as it initially looks. There is definite effect that can be observed, with say 80+% of users. I can't overstate the importance of properly phrasing messages, wrong intention or phrase can be harmful. I am always very careful when trying to help customers how to phrase something. Either way it is not all shoddy and shows results. Author of http://smartcodehq.com/subliminal/ http://smartcodehq.com/subliminal/ here, sorry for the shameless plug.

cardmagic 9y ago
“It works, I swear” says the snake oil salesman.
- binaryapparatus 9y ago
  All of the comments on MAS are real user comments, read a few. I don't care if you are ignorant, but ignorant and rude makes dangerous combination.
  - pessimizer 9y ago
    Comments on a website should be an extremely low standard of evidence for someone as smart as you are.
  - cardmagic 9y ago
    No. Ignorant, rude, and swindling people out of their hard earned money with false promises makes a dangerous proposition. Frankly I don’t know how you sleep at night. Just because there’s a placebo effect doesn’t make it effective. Many properly executed double blind studies have debunked what you are selling for decades now.
    - binaryapparatus 9y ago
      Money is of no importance here, since it doesn't make any meaningful percentage of my earnings. From any angle it is no profit pet project of mine. On the other hand number of 'thank you' emails, from real people all over the world, greatly compensates for development hours. Mechanics is very different from what you imagine it to be, placebo being only small part of the entire process. However it is very tiresome to explain it to somebody who is righteous about topic he doesn't know much about.
      - cardmagic 9y ago
        Sure... and it's also so advanced that even double-blind researchers can't reproduce it. I'm sorry that asking for rigorous science sounds like being righteous to you. I am not taking anybody's hard earned money with empty promises. You are. If money’s not the issue, then stop charging people and give back the money you have received. That will prove to me that money’s not the issue.
        binaryapparatus 9y ago
        > Sure... and it's also so advanced that even double-blind researchers can't reproduce it. I have no idea who and how performed studies, so it is not impossible to imagine if you don't really understand the process you can't use the tools properly and results will be questionable. I did research the topic probably ten or more years before I dared to write an app. At least 60% of the success is depending on how you phrase the message, so if it is not respecting mechanic you can flash messages all day long with no results. There is also _a lot_ depending on how you present the message -- if you are curious you can download app trial and check settings. Don't use the app, just see what options are there. > I'm sorry that asking for rigorous science sounds like being righteous to you. Righteous as in "church claims earth is flat, this guy disagrees, let's burn him". It is perfectly fine if you expect official dogma to tell you if something produces results -- please wait for that then. Out of curiosity, you _are_ aware that all major players use subliminal messages in their commercials? Or not? If you know about that, why would they use them that way if there is no effect? If you don't know about that why we discuss the topic then? > I am not taking anybody's hard earned money with empty promises. You are. You really have no idea if they are empty, right?
        cardmagic 9y ago
        You ask that as if the burden of proof is on me. I’m not charging anyone for this hogwash, the burden of proof is on you. Other people selling snake oil too doesn’t make it any more effective. I can walk into any grocery store in the USA and find pure distilled water being marketed as homeopathic. That’s not proof that homeopathy has any effect more than placebo. I’m 100% sure that every snake oil salesman in history had an endless supply of testimonials and thankful words. They also didn’t stop charging for their snake oil, and it seems like you aren’t going to stop either. Seems like you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth too... this is from your website: “Constantly on Top 100 Grossing Lifestyle apps list in US Mac App Store since 2011” So which is it? You make almost nothing or you are one of the highest grossing apps in the App Store? Please. I don’t believe a single word you say either way. If your moral framework allows you to profit off of gullibility, then anything you say is suspect.

cardmagic 9y ago

“It works, I swear” says the snake oil salesman.

binaryapparatus 9y ago
All of the comments on MAS are real user comments, read a few. I don't care if you are ignorant, but ignorant and rude makes dangerous combination.
- pessimizer 9y ago
  Comments on a website should be an extremely low standard of evidence for someone as smart as you are.
- cardmagic 9y ago
  No. Ignorant, rude, and swindling people out of their hard earned money with false promises makes a dangerous proposition. Frankly I don’t know how you sleep at night. Just because there’s a placebo effect doesn’t make it effective. Many properly executed double blind studies have debunked what you are selling for decades now.
  - binaryapparatus 9y ago
    Money is of no importance here, since it doesn't make any meaningful percentage of my earnings. From any angle it is no profit pet project of mine. On the other hand number of 'thank you' emails, from real people all over the world, greatly compensates for development hours. Mechanics is very different from what you imagine it to be, placebo being only small part of the entire process. However it is very tiresome to explain it to somebody who is righteous about topic he doesn't know much about.
    - cardmagic 9y ago
      Sure... and it's also so advanced that even double-blind researchers can't reproduce it. I'm sorry that asking for rigorous science sounds like being righteous to you. I am not taking anybody's hard earned money with empty promises. You are. If money’s not the issue, then stop charging people and give back the money you have received. That will prove to me that money’s not the issue.
      - binaryapparatus 9y ago
        > Sure... and it's also so advanced that even double-blind researchers can't reproduce it. I have no idea who and how performed studies, so it is not impossible to imagine if you don't really understand the process you can't use the tools properly and results will be questionable. I did research the topic probably ten or more years before I dared to write an app. At least 60% of the success is depending on how you phrase the message, so if it is not respecting mechanic you can flash messages all day long with no results. There is also _a lot_ depending on how you present the message -- if you are curious you can download app trial and check settings. Don't use the app, just see what options are there. > I'm sorry that asking for rigorous science sounds like being righteous to you. Righteous as in "church claims earth is flat, this guy disagrees, let's burn him". It is perfectly fine if you expect official dogma to tell you if something produces results -- please wait for that then. Out of curiosity, you _are_ aware that all major players use subliminal messages in their commercials? Or not? If you know about that, why would they use them that way if there is no effect? If you don't know about that why we discuss the topic then? > I am not taking anybody's hard earned money with empty promises. You are. You really have no idea if they are empty, right?
        cardmagic 9y ago
        You ask that as if the burden of proof is on me. I’m not charging anyone for this hogwash, the burden of proof is on you. Other people selling snake oil too doesn’t make it any more effective. I can walk into any grocery store in the USA and find pure distilled water being marketed as homeopathic. That’s not proof that homeopathy has any effect more than placebo. I’m 100% sure that every snake oil salesman in history had an endless supply of testimonials and thankful words. They also didn’t stop charging for their snake oil, and it seems like you aren’t going to stop either. Seems like you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth too... this is from your website: “Constantly on Top 100 Grossing Lifestyle apps list in US Mac App Store since 2011” So which is it? You make almost nothing or you are one of the highest grossing apps in the App Store? Please. I don’t believe a single word you say either way. If your moral framework allows you to profit off of gullibility, then anything you say is suspect.