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Are you really so sure? It’s not an easy thing to maintain awareness of the workings of one’s emotions, especially for someone raised in a repressive, collectiv

Are you really so sure? It’s not an easy thing to maintain awareness of the workings of one’s emotions, especially for someone raised in a repressive, collectivist culture that doesn’t value the internal life of the individual, and especially if that individual is on the spectrum, in which case the emotions are “buried” even deeper.

sinkpoint 9y ago
If an emotion is neither experienced nor physiologically detected, does it really exist?
- fahayekwasright 9y ago
  Emotions come from the unconscious. Of course they can be difficult to detect. Nonetheless they can shape our thinking and behavior dramatically. Read Carl Jung, “The Undiscovered Self.”
ordu 9y ago
If his emotions are buried so deep, that there no way to see real world consequences of them, than maybe it is better to say, that there are no emotions? I think, that mottos in Western culture are just pathetic ones. Western culture knows nothing about how to raise steady emotions in people. I was born in USSR, and I saw how it should be done. But there is one consequence: with experience comes tolerance to external attempts to raise my emotions by some lovely motto. Now it is really hard to. "All people deserve to live healthy lives" -- what is it? I was grown on ideas of Worldwide Communist Revolution and bringing freedom from damned capitalists to all people? I read books, I watched films, discussed this in a classes, I learnt world history in terms of societies struggling to make one more step toward communism. And after that I hear motto for preschool kids. The topic for boring school essay about role of Communism in bringing healthy life to everyone. I had eaten tons of this shit before I came to a school. I have eaten even more in school. Why I should have any emotions now? Really, I can hardly believe that any adult can be touched by such a motto. I'm unable to understand it, even when I try to imagine how it could be, if I was not born under ideologic pressure. The Black Swan can be a good motto, because it is a symbol of some non-trivial idea, because it reminds me something that I can forget to think through one more time. It reminds me about ideas which I want to think through again and again. But "healty lives for everyone" is something like communism, it will not be like that in the overseeable future. It is just one more ideologic lie, which is must be spoken due to some social protocol. Pointless tradition.
- fahayekwasright 9y ago
  This topic seems to make you rather emotional.
- aluhut 9y ago
  > Really, I can hardly believe that any adult can be touched by such a motto. I grew up in the east block too and I come upon this quite often. The peak of it is the current political situation in the USA. I wonder if this is connected with the pressure to be young and healthy for as long as possible or at least looking like it which allows you to participate in "young culture" whith everything that comes along with it (tech, speach, dress, views,...). The side effect is a infantile look at the world and concepts that are supposed to run it on all levels. I work for an US company in Germany and see realities collide every day.
  - walshemj 9y ago
    As opposed to work nine to five like a nice corporate drone retire and die within 2 years as was common a generation ago?
    - aluhut 9y ago
      As opposed to work 8-7, be reachable 24/7 retire and die within 2 years as is common this generation?
      - walshemj 9y ago
        er no the mortality statistics don't bear that out though maybe the NHS has something to do with that
        aluhut 9y ago
        I would still like to work 9-5...
- walshemj 9y ago
analog31 9y ago
I'm willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt, that he knows his own emotions. I simply assume that I know the inner workings of my own mind better than anybody else can. If somebody tells me that they have a magic window into my mind, I assume that they're trying to manipulate or bullshit me. It's not just repressed Communists. I work with scientists and engineers, and they also roll their eyes at corporate slogans. In turn, the managers know this.
- pessimizer 9y ago
  > I simply assume that I know the inner workings of my own mind better than anybody else can. I think this is a very bad assumption; Eric Schwitzgebel has spent a lot of his career making the case that it is a bad assumption: http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/ http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/ a good example paper: Knowing Your Own Beliefs (2011), http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/SchwitzAbs/KnowOwnBel.htm http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/SchwitzAbs/KnowOwnBel.h...

sinkpoint 9y ago

If an emotion is neither experienced nor physiologically detected, does it really exist?

fahayekwasright 9y ago
Emotions come from the unconscious. Of course they can be difficult to detect. Nonetheless they can shape our thinking and behavior dramatically. Read Carl Jung, “The Undiscovered Self.”

ordu 9y ago

If his emotions are buried so deep, that there no way to see real world consequences of them, than maybe it is better to say, that there are no emotions? I think, that mottos in Western culture are just pathetic ones. Western culture knows nothing about how to raise steady emotions in people. I was born in USSR, and I saw how it should be done. But there is one consequence: with experience comes tolerance to external attempts to raise my emotions by some lovely motto. Now it is really hard to. "All people deserve to live healthy lives" -- what is it? I was grown on ideas of Worldwide Communist Revolution and bringing freedom from damned capitalists to all people? I read books, I watched films, discussed this in a classes, I learnt world history in terms of societies struggling to make one more step toward communism. And after that I hear motto for preschool kids. The topic for boring school essay about role of Communism in bringing healthy life to everyone. I had eaten tons of this shit before I came to a school. I have eaten even more in school. Why I should have any emotions now? Really, I can hardly believe that any adult can be touched by such a motto. I'm unable to understand it, even when I try to imagine how it could be, if I was not born under ideologic pressure. The Black Swan can be a good motto, because it is a symbol of some non-trivial idea, because it reminds me something that I can forget to think through one more time. It reminds me about ideas which I want to think through again and again. But "healty lives for everyone" is something like communism, it will not be like that in the overseeable future. It is just one more ideologic lie, which is must be spoken due to some social protocol. Pointless tradition.

fahayekwasright 9y ago
This topic seems to make you rather emotional.
aluhut 9y ago
> Really, I can hardly believe that any adult can be touched by such a motto. I grew up in the east block too and I come upon this quite often. The peak of it is the current political situation in the USA. I wonder if this is connected with the pressure to be young and healthy for as long as possible or at least looking like it which allows you to participate in "young culture" whith everything that comes along with it (tech, speach, dress, views,...). The side effect is a infantile look at the world and concepts that are supposed to run it on all levels. I work for an US company in Germany and see realities collide every day.
- walshemj 9y ago
  As opposed to work nine to five like a nice corporate drone retire and die within 2 years as was common a generation ago?
  - aluhut 9y ago
    As opposed to work 8-7, be reachable 24/7 retire and die within 2 years as is common this generation?
    - walshemj 9y ago
      er no the mortality statistics don't bear that out though maybe the NHS has something to do with that
      - aluhut 9y ago
        I would still like to work 9-5...
walshemj 9y ago

analog31 9y ago

I'm willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt, that he knows his own emotions. I simply assume that I know the inner workings of my own mind better than anybody else can. If somebody tells me that they have a magic window into my mind, I assume that they're trying to manipulate or bullshit me. It's not just repressed Communists. I work with scientists and engineers, and they also roll their eyes at corporate slogans. In turn, the managers know this.

pessimizer 9y ago
> I simply assume that I know the inner workings of my own mind better than anybody else can. I think this is a very bad assumption; Eric Schwitzgebel has spent a lot of his career making the case that it is a bad assumption: http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/ http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/ a good example paper: Knowing Your Own Beliefs (2011), http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/SchwitzAbs/KnowOwnBel.htm http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~eschwitz/SchwitzAbs/KnowOwnBel.h...