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> If you're not a spammer then, sure, it's an annoying fee Even $100 is really high for a person who runs a private mail server. > but it's basically one-tim

> If you're not a spammer then, sure, it's an annoying fee Even $100 is really high for a person who runs a private mail server. > but it's basically one-time. Until they add you again.

eitland 9y ago
> Until they add you again. Do I think this could be abused in a number of ways? Yes. But as long as they only add you if you have actually sent spam this should be ok. And if I did this I guess I'd try to come up with an free (but annoying so it would still be a punishment) way to get off tell list. Something like: go to this web address that is only reachable for 5 minutes at some random time. It will then give you instructions to actually send the removal request. ;-)
- jimktrains2 9y ago
  > But as long as they only add you if you have actually sent spam this should be ok. What's this mean though? How are they judging? I've worked for a company that soley sent transactional email from the domain and IP address in question (basically just receipts and password reset. Not even our (fully-opt in, optted-out-by-default) newsletters was ever sent from this domain and IP. Every few weeks we'd have to contend with some blacklist because a user had (mistakenly?) marked one of our emails as spam. From my experience, it's an extremely inexact and sensitive, but neither precise nor accurate, process. (Not to mention the time one of the major providers just began blackholeing the same server despite SPF and DKIM. No rejection message in the logs, just many, many, many customer support calls about missing receipts.)
  - eitland 9y ago
    Exactly what I said (-: > Do I think this could be abused in a number of ways? Yes. > But as long as they only add you if you have actually sent spam this should be ok.
JauntyHatAngle 9y ago
> Until they add you again. Simple, we create a blacklist for spam blacklists, any spam blacklists that misbehave are added to the spam blacklist blacklist and require a $100 fee to be removed from the blacklist blacklist. I can already guess what your next question will be "But what monitors the spam blacklist blacklist?" But don't bother asking - it's blacklists all the way down.
jenscow 9y ago
> Even $100 is really high for a person who runs a private mail server. Then wait for a week.
- jimktrains2 9y ago
  Yes, because I should be unable to communicate (potentially loosing opportunities such as jobs) with anyone because of a bad automatic judgment I can't appeal.
- glenneroo 9y ago
  If spammers are as intelligent as the article indicates, they are also monitoring blacklists and will code this into their bots. It would be fairly simple to pause spamming for a week, then resume when the blacklist entries are removed.

> If you're not a spammer then, sure, it's an annoying fee Even $100 is really high for a person who runs a private mail server. > but it's basically one-time. Until they add you again.

eitland 9y ago

> Until they add you again. Do I think this could be abused in a number of ways? Yes. But as long as they only add you if you have actually sent spam this should be ok. And if I did this I guess I'd try to come up with an free (but annoying so it would still be a punishment) way to get off tell list. Something like: go to this web address that is only reachable for 5 minutes at some random time. It will then give you instructions to actually send the removal request. ;-)

jimktrains2 9y ago
> But as long as they only add you if you have actually sent spam this should be ok. What's this mean though? How are they judging? I've worked for a company that soley sent transactional email from the domain and IP address in question (basically just receipts and password reset. Not even our (fully-opt in, optted-out-by-default) newsletters was ever sent from this domain and IP. Every few weeks we'd have to contend with some blacklist because a user had (mistakenly?) marked one of our emails as spam. From my experience, it's an extremely inexact and sensitive, but neither precise nor accurate, process. (Not to mention the time one of the major providers just began blackholeing the same server despite SPF and DKIM. No rejection message in the logs, just many, many, many customer support calls about missing receipts.)
- eitland 9y ago
  Exactly what I said (-: > Do I think this could be abused in a number of ways? Yes. > But as long as they only add you if you have actually sent spam this should be ok.

JauntyHatAngle 9y ago

> Until they add you again. Simple, we create a blacklist for spam blacklists, any spam blacklists that misbehave are added to the spam blacklist blacklist and require a $100 fee to be removed from the blacklist blacklist. I can already guess what your next question will be "But what monitors the spam blacklist blacklist?" But don't bother asking - it's blacklists all the way down.

jenscow 9y ago

> Even $100 is really high for a person who runs a private mail server. Then wait for a week.

jimktrains2 9y ago
Yes, because I should be unable to communicate (potentially loosing opportunities such as jobs) with anyone because of a bad automatic judgment I can't appeal.
glenneroo 9y ago
If spammers are as intelligent as the article indicates, they are also monitoring blacklists and will code this into their bots. It would be fairly simple to pause spamming for a week, then resume when the blacklist entries are removed.