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Wow, this is incredible. It's quite frightening and raises some issues, however, that as first-person shooters evolve, we'll be desensitized to shooting more r

by alehul 9y ago

Wow, this is incredible. It's quite frightening and raises some issues, however, that as first-person shooters evolve, we'll be desensitized to shooting more realistic humans.

aerovistae 9y ago
Then we'll be desensitized. That's all there is to it. Nobody's going to put laws in place limiting graphical rendering. But, I don't actually think you're right, anyway. Crime rates have been going down in the US and Europe, not up. It's just FUD. There's no correlation at all.
- graeme 9y ago
  I think OP was saying that the new phenomenon of photorealistic faces will have a different effect. So past crime rates wouldn't be an indication. I don't think it's linked, but the US murder rate actually increased in 2016. I couldn't find European wide stats, but the UK rate has been increasing: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/world/europe/england-wales-crime-rate.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/world/europe/england-wale...
  - aerovistae 9y ago
    I would be surprised if that turned into a long-term trend. Let's hope I'm right!
    - graeme 9y ago
      I hope so too! My expectation is also that it will generally keep going down. And of course it’s still low compared to a few decades ago.
  - ajuc 9y ago
    USA and UK both had increase - that's strange. UK has imigration crisis going on, that could explain part of it at least, so I checked my country (Poland), and it also had small increase in 2016 as well, but it was minimal 503->514. The downward overall trend is pretty clear. Homocides per year. Population is ~36 000 000 1999 1121 2000 1158 2001 1169 2002 1007 2003 928 2004 790 2005 720 2006 816 2007 789 2008 748 2009 729 2010 702 2011 684 2012 566 2013 603 2014 551 2015 503 2016 514
- SubiculumCode 9y ago
  You can't just look at the overall trend because there are multiple powerful drivers of murder rates (economic stressors, chemical pollutants, etc)
ajuc 9y ago
People have no problems distinguishing between theather/movies/interactive movies (where faces are even better than in CoD)/games, and real life. And homicides (as well as other violent crimes) are going down for the last 20 years or more, while computer games are more and more popular. It's quite clear to me, that violence in computer games doesn't make people more violent in real life. On the other hand it's possible that violent people do choose more violent games than less violent people. Also, while we're on the subject of murdering people - easily accessible firearms do make people more likely to kill people. That's pretty low-hanging fruit right there.

by alehul 9y ago

Wow, this is incredible. It's quite frightening and raises some issues, however, that as first-person shooters evolve, we'll be desensitized to shooting more realistic humans.

aerovistae 9y ago

Then we'll be desensitized. That's all there is to it. Nobody's going to put laws in place limiting graphical rendering. But, I don't actually think you're right, anyway. Crime rates have been going down in the US and Europe, not up. It's just FUD. There's no correlation at all.

graeme 9y ago
I think OP was saying that the new phenomenon of photorealistic faces will have a different effect. So past crime rates wouldn't be an indication. I don't think it's linked, but the US murder rate actually increased in 2016. I couldn't find European wide stats, but the UK rate has been increasing: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/world/europe/england-wales-crime-rate.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/world/europe/england-wale...
- aerovistae 9y ago
  I would be surprised if that turned into a long-term trend. Let's hope I'm right!
  - graeme 9y ago
    I hope so too! My expectation is also that it will generally keep going down. And of course it’s still low compared to a few decades ago.
- ajuc 9y ago
  USA and UK both had increase - that's strange. UK has imigration crisis going on, that could explain part of it at least, so I checked my country (Poland), and it also had small increase in 2016 as well, but it was minimal 503->514. The downward overall trend is pretty clear. Homocides per year. Population is ~36 000 000 1999 1121 2000 1158 2001 1169 2002 1007 2003 928 2004 790 2005 720 2006 816 2007 789 2008 748 2009 729 2010 702 2011 684 2012 566 2013 603 2014 551 2015 503 2016 514
SubiculumCode 9y ago
You can't just look at the overall trend because there are multiple powerful drivers of murder rates (economic stressors, chemical pollutants, etc)

ajuc 9y ago

People have no problems distinguishing between theather/movies/interactive movies (where faces are even better than in CoD)/games, and real life. And homicides (as well as other violent crimes) are going down for the last 20 years or more, while computer games are more and more popular. It's quite clear to me, that violence in computer games doesn't make people more violent in real life. On the other hand it's possible that violent people do choose more violent games than less violent people. Also, while we're on the subject of murdering people - easily accessible firearms do make people more likely to kill people. That's pretty low-hanging fruit right there.