5 ms·

I'm reminded of Clarke's first law: "When a distinguished but elderly [engineer] states that something is possible, they are almost certainly right. When they s

I'm reminded of Clarke's first law: "When a distinguished but elderly [engineer] states that something is possible, they are almost certainly right. When they state that something is impossible, they are very probably wrong." I am sad to Ebert go, his reviews defined the industry, but towards the end of his career he became increasingly hostile toward anything that wasn't "classic" cinema as defined by films which he reviewed during the peak of his career. By his definition, films were art. New narrative vehicles such as 3D, VR, and even video games were not films and therefor not art. In this guest post by Walter Murch, he complains that 3D films force the brain to converge focus at objects at unnatural depth of fields - this inability to switch depth of field quickly prevents 3D films from working. It's an uncrossable technological chasm. I would counter that this argument is flawed on two critical elements. First, the first film to make use of shifting depth of field was famously Citizen Kane in 1941 - before this, the ability to rack focus just wasn't a thing. Yet films 'worked' before Citizen Kane. To posit that films need this ability to 'work' is to discredit the first 40 odd years of film. The second is the argument rests on our inability to solve this technological problem - a dangerous and often repeated statement in the history of film. Just as other old men were critical of the viability of sound or color given the enormous challenges the first versions of these technologies had, Ebert/Murch here were critical of 3D at the time when companies like Magic Leap and Lytro were just showing the first signs of promise in crossing this chasm. "3D doesn't work and never will" is an interesting predication along the lines of "locomotives traveling twice as fast as stagecoaches are palpably absurd".

agumonkey 9y ago
I went through a similar change. The more movie I saw recently the less I liked them, something was missing. Also I became more aware of movie making, and the fallacy and limits of technology. I also became a lot more touched by 2D, either games, or painting. Something is impossible to reenact better through a more realistic tech. Nowadays I also realize that movies are enhanced theatrics. It's very much about planting seeds in the audience, the mean is not the primary factor.
- guitarbill 9y ago
  I think this is also a fallacy. It's like saying 3D video games suck because you've lately only been playing triple-A titles (say Call of Duty) that require millions to make - of course those are optimised for profit, not artistic integrity. But progress has no bias, and now with e.g. Unity the barrier to entry for 3D games is lower than ever, and there's tonnes of indie games - some of them great. Or look at YouTube, the quality of videos is stunning nowadays. The biggest problem with 3D video is that currently almost nobody has the means of consuming, let alone creating 3D video. The second problem is distribution/payment. It's still shockingly difficult to discover great indie stuff on Steam, YouTube, Spotify, etc. To a degree, that's because most people only watch content from huge media corporations who of course want you to keep watching their stuff - but it can't be the whole story, especially with e.g. Steam.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    as: I will leave the production side away I have my own age, but I don't give a damn for HD+ videos. It was cool to see demo videos of coral and landscape in stores but ... even the best tv show or movies won't bring me much joy in 4K. That's optimizing the wrong parameters IMO. 3D could be of help, but so far 1) people didn't find how 2) people barely tried. I remember being disappointed by Avatar because the story was so obvious and rehashed... I went to see a few 3D movies (beside thor I think none surprised my senses). And last year Avatar 1 was on TV. I was shocked, the framing was so amazing. I thought, 1) Cameron knows how to film action 2) the live virtual set he had for Avatar made his 3D 'animation' much more tactile/tangible. No other movie had this, they were average 2D shots with more tech. Reminded me how Scott's Alien 1 has more depth than most 3D movies in the first 10 seconds. Something how they approached movie making, real sets (something star wars went back to, ironically after being one of the major step into virtual sets). For video games, I can't deny that the 3rd dimension brings something, but for aesthetics or story telling it's moot. The beauty is elsewhere. And some games are doing just that, they will toy with representation and mix hires 3D environment with pixelated characters. Its oddity makes the games interesting and mysterious. I really do believe that our brain likes 2D representations, and attach emotions and meaning to them; paintings and old games were tickling this sense. The hyper realism (which I ran for too) is tickling another sense, and not the right one. ps: I just found this on twitter, https://thesixfifty.com/game-changer-lasting-legacy-of-the-atari-2600-4bea9717bf3 https://thesixfifty.com/game-changer-lasting-legacy-of-the-a..., it actually touches some aspects of what I'm feeling
baddox 9y ago
The third counter is that I’ve seen a bunch of 3D movies and it works just fine.
- failrate 9y ago
  I hated 3D movies at first. Then I watched Edge of Tomorrow twice: first in 3D and then in 2D. I stopped noticing that it was in 3D partway through the first time. When I watched the second time, I noticed a significantly muted emotional response when viewed in 2d.
  - grogenaut 9y ago
    or maybe it was cause you were watching it a 2nd time and you knew what was coming. it's not really a scientific experiment after all. Nothing wrong with opinion tho.
- stochastic_monk 9y ago
  I've seen 3D movies and they've always given me motion sickness. I'm not a fan of feeling sick at the theater.
- psyc 9y ago
  Same here. It works great for me, and I prefer it whenever it’s an option.
- taneq 9y ago
  Likewise, stereo 3D 'works for me'. It just seems to be one of those things with high interpersonal variability. You might as well declare that pineapple on pizza "doesn't work and never will."
  - Izkata 9y ago
    Speaking of high variability, there's a particular issue I have that I've not seen come up before. The Nintendo 3DS has a 3D slider, that lets you adjust the intensity of the 3D or just go 2D. I can handle it for extended periods on the low setting, but have stopped using it entirely after one session where, upon putting down the game, I couldn't handle reality. It was like my brain had adjusted to the incomplete 3D effect described by this post, and the real world suddenly physically hurt to look at. It only lasted about 10-20 seconds, but it was more than enough for me to not want to use it again.
rlpb 9y ago
> First, the first film to make use of shifting depth of field was famously Citizen Kane in 1941 - before this, the ability to rack focus just wasn't a thing. Yet films 'worked' before Citizen Kane. To posit that films need this ability to 'work' is to discredit the first 40 odd years of film. I think you're conflating the focus of the movie camera on the original scene with the focus of the cinema viewer's eyes on the projection screen. What Murch is referring to is the focus "setting" of the human viewer being set to the distance to the projection screen. The focus of the movie camera and depth of field at that end has little to do with it. His point is that the [2D] cinema viewer can sense the flat focus setting of the fixed distance to the projection screen, but at least other depth cues (such as parallax) are also fixed and therefore consistent. 3D viewing involves dynamic parallax but the focus distance to the projection screen remains fixed, and it is the difference that causes problems for the viewer. The bokeh of the movie camera has nothing to do with this aspect.
- leephillips 9y ago
  Exactly. In 2D movies your eyes can focus on the screen; in 3D movies the eye tries to shift focus to different distances; this may account for the headaches that many people report after viewing 3D films. I notice in Ebert's reviews an appreciation of films as mere entertainment in cases where is what they intend to be, and an appreciation of films as art if that is what they aspire to. In fact, one of my annoyances at his (often excellent) reviews is that he seemed to apply consciously lowered standards when he thought that a film wasn't aiming too high, which led to him recommending films that were close to mediocre, because they hit the mark they were aiming for. There is a certain integrity in this, of course. Ebert's complaints about 3D movies were not the grumblings of an old man but largely justified: they are dimmer and usually worse than the 2D version. I've seen stunning exceptions, though: the best is an IMAX documentary called Hubble 3D, which is the best use of 3D film I've seen and superb all around.
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    > I notice in Ebert's reviews an appreciation of films as mere entertainment in cases where is what they intend to be, and an appreciation of films as art if that is what they aspire to. In fact, one of my annoyances at his (often excellent) reviews is that he seemed to apply consciously lowered standards when he thought that a film wasn't aiming too high, which led to him recommending films that were close to mediocre, because they hit the mark they were aiming for. There is a certain integrity in this, of course. I think he did a great job voicing his own standard, which I think makes a lot of sense, in his review of Shaolin Soccer (https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/shaolin-soccer-2004 https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/shaolin-soccer-2004): > "Shaolin Soccer" is like a poster boy for my theory of the star rating system. Every month or so, I get an anguished letter from a reader wanting to know how I could possibly have been so ignorant as to award three stars to, say, "HIDALGO" while dismissing, say, "Dogville" with two stars. This disparity between my approval of kitsch and my rejection of angst reveals me, of course, as a superficial moron who will do anything to suck up to my readers. > What these correspondents do not grasp is that to suck up to my demanding readers, I would do better to praise "Dogville." It takes more nerve to praise pop entertainment; it's easy and safe to deliver pious praise of turgid deep thinking. It's true, I loved "Anaconda" and did not think "The United States of Leland" worked, but does that mean I drool at the keyboard and prefer man-eating snakes to suburban despair? > Not at all. What it means is that the star rating system is relative, not absolute. When you ask a friend if "Hellboy" is any good, you're not asking if it's any good compared to "Mystic River," you're asking if it's any good compared to "The Punisher." And my answer would be, on a scale of one to four, if "Superman" (1978) is four, then "Hellboy" is three and "The Punisher" is two. In the same way, if "American Beauty" gets four stars, then "Leland" clocks in at about two. > And that is why "Shaolin Soccer," a goofy Hong Kong action comedy, gets three stars. It is piffle, yes, but superior piffle. If you are even considering going to see a movie where the players zoom 50 feet into the air and rotate freely in violation of everything Newton held sacred, then you do not want to know if I thought it was as good as "Lost in Translation."
draw_down 9y ago
This doesn’t say it’s impossible.
dahart 9y ago
The most damning counter is that the ocular focus problem is currently being solved. For example: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/uncross-those-eyes-researchers-solve-vrs-depth-of-focus-headaches/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/uncross-those-eyes-re... That was just a quick google search and I’m not familiar with that work specifically, but I am aware of other VR teams at the big tech giants and at universities that are actively making inroads. You’re absolutely right: this is an example of Clarke’s first law.
- jasonwatkinspdx 9y ago
  You're talking about VR headsets, not multi viewer screening rooms. The solutions appearing for VR cannot be adapted to the second geometric situation.
  - dahart 9y ago
    You’re right that they are somewhat different, but presumptuous as I am talking about both. I am aware of work being done today that will have affects viewing 3D movies in theaters. The article here also didn’t distinguish between headsets and theaters, it incorrectly declared all 3D dead.
  - jameslevy 9y ago
    Perhaps it will be the case within the span of the coming decade or two that multi viewer screening room experiences will consist of each viewer wearing some type of headset, in the process not requiring this additional solution and also freeing up theater design to go in entirely new directions that don't revolve around dozens or hundreds of seats facing a single large screen.
- Spare_account 9y ago
  HackerNews truncates the displayed part of lengthy URLs, so clicking your AMPified link was something of a gamble, not knowing which website I'd end up on. Here's the direct link for people that prefer it: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/uncross-those-eyes-researchers-solve-vrs-depth-of-focus-headaches/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/uncross-those-eyes-re...
whiddershins 9y ago
You have decent/good points ... Would there be a way to make them without so much emphasis on age? Not that I disagree that people do stereotypically get a bit more resistant to new stuff as they get older ... including myself ... but at least for me I find that it comes from a more nuanced place than what is implied with your repeated use of age as a synonym for the doubters, the lovers of the classic, the skeptics of the new ... Anyway, really, I don’t think your comment comes off the way you meant it. It feels a tiny bit aggressive/dismissive to me.
gt_ 9y ago
As a film editor, and admittedly a Walter Murch fanboy, I still partially agree with your argument. I think, however, Murch is getting at something deeper here that he needs to elaborate on. I'm an Ebert fan as well, but you're comparing a critic to an engineer. Real quick, this Citizen Kane bit is misleading. Welles's use of rack focus was noteworthy, but it was his use of deep focus that was the true wonder. It is much more noteworthy and famous, and possibly what you are meaning to refer to. It was a feat of engineering and lighting at the time, and not at all a paradigm shift as much as notch on the linear progression of film engineering. Murch really did write the book on film editing. In The Blink Of An Eye is a short and to-the-point text book on film editing, an offers a simple theory as to why it works, which can be figured by the title. The theory seemed too simple to me the way he explained it, but I've come to understand he essentially means that film cuts are not jolting because we are used to blinking. Whether he is correct or not, the nuance of this understanding would basically argue there is a threshold for which the jolt could be overridden by an evolved necessity for being able to blink (and possibly other similar less-than-linear occurances in optical living). Murch goes on, in the book, to apply this theory and he argues that elements such as narrative, beauty, concept and other cognitive intrigue can widen the threshold. All in all, he makes the what is probably the best argument so far for how and why the engineering of filmmaking magic works. His book is the seminal textbook on film editing and worshiped by filmmakers generation after generation for it's timeless truths, because these truths offer a simple way for filmmakers to make decisions in their craft. They don't encroach on any style or technical achievement. Despite the practical delivery, they are essentially theoretical psychology. He also pioneered digital editing. I don't believe Murch is immune to Clarke's first law, but he is no Ebert. Murch is no critic. He is an engineer, and while this post doesn't get into the specifics, his claims here are supported in his battle-tested texts.
- gt_ 9y ago
  EDIT: After posting, I realized that I might argue that it would make sense to me if Murch were to argue that editing doesn't work the same in 3D. And, I expect that wouldn't be much of a surprise to most of us. If that's the case, we could be losing something and gaining other things. That is not unheard of in the history of art and technology, and something we should probably all accept.
iheartstartup 9y ago
if you've read the article, you'll the discussion at hand was concerning stereoscopic 3d, not the fancy light field tech which may be around the corner, nor not.
sdenton4 9y ago
The essential problem with film is that it consists of many things off stool images blinking in and out of existence. Deciphering still images flashing at a rate of 24 per second is something that or brains have never had to contend with in millions of years of evolution. Film simply cannot work!
mruniverse 9y ago
So far he's right. It doesn't work now. It works better than the blue/red glasses, but that's not saying much. As for the "inability to solve this technological problem", that could be true. I don't think we can solve all technical problems. The opposite is saying we can solve all technical problems.
- wpietri 9y ago
  Yeah, given that this was written in January 2011, close to the peak of 3D hype, it seems spot on. 3D's best year was 2010, with 21% of US tickets sold. That's now down to 14% and dropping. I don't know anybody who insists on seeing films in 3D, but I have a number of friends who will flat-out refuse. And 3D TV is just dead. The best quote for me in this article comes at the end: "[...] if the film story has really gripped an audience they are "in" the picture in a kind of dreamlike 'spaceless' space. So a good story will give you more dimensionality than you can ever cope with." This seems exactly right to me. A captivating film already sucks you in. 3D just doesn't improve upon that for me.

agumonkey 9y ago

I went through a similar change. The more movie I saw recently the less I liked them, something was missing. Also I became more aware of movie making, and the fallacy and limits of technology. I also became a lot more touched by 2D, either games, or painting. Something is impossible to reenact better through a more realistic tech. Nowadays I also realize that movies are enhanced theatrics. It's very much about planting seeds in the audience, the mean is not the primary factor.

guitarbill 9y ago
I think this is also a fallacy. It's like saying 3D video games suck because you've lately only been playing triple-A titles (say Call of Duty) that require millions to make - of course those are optimised for profit, not artistic integrity. But progress has no bias, and now with e.g. Unity the barrier to entry for 3D games is lower than ever, and there's tonnes of indie games - some of them great. Or look at YouTube, the quality of videos is stunning nowadays. The biggest problem with 3D video is that currently almost nobody has the means of consuming, let alone creating 3D video. The second problem is distribution/payment. It's still shockingly difficult to discover great indie stuff on Steam, YouTube, Spotify, etc. To a degree, that's because most people only watch content from huge media corporations who of course want you to keep watching their stuff - but it can't be the whole story, especially with e.g. Steam.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  as: I will leave the production side away I have my own age, but I don't give a damn for HD+ videos. It was cool to see demo videos of coral and landscape in stores but ... even the best tv show or movies won't bring me much joy in 4K. That's optimizing the wrong parameters IMO. 3D could be of help, but so far 1) people didn't find how 2) people barely tried. I remember being disappointed by Avatar because the story was so obvious and rehashed... I went to see a few 3D movies (beside thor I think none surprised my senses). And last year Avatar 1 was on TV. I was shocked, the framing was so amazing. I thought, 1) Cameron knows how to film action 2) the live virtual set he had for Avatar made his 3D 'animation' much more tactile/tangible. No other movie had this, they were average 2D shots with more tech. Reminded me how Scott's Alien 1 has more depth than most 3D movies in the first 10 seconds. Something how they approached movie making, real sets (something star wars went back to, ironically after being one of the major step into virtual sets). For video games, I can't deny that the 3rd dimension brings something, but for aesthetics or story telling it's moot. The beauty is elsewhere. And some games are doing just that, they will toy with representation and mix hires 3D environment with pixelated characters. Its oddity makes the games interesting and mysterious. I really do believe that our brain likes 2D representations, and attach emotions and meaning to them; paintings and old games were tickling this sense. The hyper realism (which I ran for too) is tickling another sense, and not the right one. ps: I just found this on twitter, https://thesixfifty.com/game-changer-lasting-legacy-of-the-atari-2600-4bea9717bf3 https://thesixfifty.com/game-changer-lasting-legacy-of-the-a..., it actually touches some aspects of what I'm feeling

baddox 9y ago

The third counter is that I’ve seen a bunch of 3D movies and it works just fine.

failrate 9y ago
I hated 3D movies at first. Then I watched Edge of Tomorrow twice: first in 3D and then in 2D. I stopped noticing that it was in 3D partway through the first time. When I watched the second time, I noticed a significantly muted emotional response when viewed in 2d.
- grogenaut 9y ago
  or maybe it was cause you were watching it a 2nd time and you knew what was coming. it's not really a scientific experiment after all. Nothing wrong with opinion tho.
stochastic_monk 9y ago
I've seen 3D movies and they've always given me motion sickness. I'm not a fan of feeling sick at the theater.
psyc 9y ago
Same here. It works great for me, and I prefer it whenever it’s an option.
taneq 9y ago
Likewise, stereo 3D 'works for me'. It just seems to be one of those things with high interpersonal variability. You might as well declare that pineapple on pizza "doesn't work and never will."
- Izkata 9y ago
  Speaking of high variability, there's a particular issue I have that I've not seen come up before. The Nintendo 3DS has a 3D slider, that lets you adjust the intensity of the 3D or just go 2D. I can handle it for extended periods on the low setting, but have stopped using it entirely after one session where, upon putting down the game, I couldn't handle reality. It was like my brain had adjusted to the incomplete 3D effect described by this post, and the real world suddenly physically hurt to look at. It only lasted about 10-20 seconds, but it was more than enough for me to not want to use it again.

rlpb 9y ago

> First, the first film to make use of shifting depth of field was famously Citizen Kane in 1941 - before this, the ability to rack focus just wasn't a thing. Yet films 'worked' before Citizen Kane. To posit that films need this ability to 'work' is to discredit the first 40 odd years of film. I think you're conflating the focus of the movie camera on the original scene with the focus of the cinema viewer's eyes on the projection screen. What Murch is referring to is the focus "setting" of the human viewer being set to the distance to the projection screen. The focus of the movie camera and depth of field at that end has little to do with it. His point is that the [2D] cinema viewer can sense the flat focus setting of the fixed distance to the projection screen, but at least other depth cues (such as parallax) are also fixed and therefore consistent. 3D viewing involves dynamic parallax but the focus distance to the projection screen remains fixed, and it is the difference that causes problems for the viewer. The bokeh of the movie camera has nothing to do with this aspect.

leephillips 9y ago
Exactly. In 2D movies your eyes can focus on the screen; in 3D movies the eye tries to shift focus to different distances; this may account for the headaches that many people report after viewing 3D films. I notice in Ebert's reviews an appreciation of films as mere entertainment in cases where is what they intend to be, and an appreciation of films as art if that is what they aspire to. In fact, one of my annoyances at his (often excellent) reviews is that he seemed to apply consciously lowered standards when he thought that a film wasn't aiming too high, which led to him recommending films that were close to mediocre, because they hit the mark they were aiming for. There is a certain integrity in this, of course. Ebert's complaints about 3D movies were not the grumblings of an old man but largely justified: they are dimmer and usually worse than the 2D version. I've seen stunning exceptions, though: the best is an IMAX documentary called Hubble 3D, which is the best use of 3D film I've seen and superb all around.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  > I notice in Ebert's reviews an appreciation of films as mere entertainment in cases where is what they intend to be, and an appreciation of films as art if that is what they aspire to. In fact, one of my annoyances at his (often excellent) reviews is that he seemed to apply consciously lowered standards when he thought that a film wasn't aiming too high, which led to him recommending films that were close to mediocre, because they hit the mark they were aiming for. There is a certain integrity in this, of course. I think he did a great job voicing his own standard, which I think makes a lot of sense, in his review of Shaolin Soccer (https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/shaolin-soccer-2004 https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/shaolin-soccer-2004): > "Shaolin Soccer" is like a poster boy for my theory of the star rating system. Every month or so, I get an anguished letter from a reader wanting to know how I could possibly have been so ignorant as to award three stars to, say, "HIDALGO" while dismissing, say, "Dogville" with two stars. This disparity between my approval of kitsch and my rejection of angst reveals me, of course, as a superficial moron who will do anything to suck up to my readers. > What these correspondents do not grasp is that to suck up to my demanding readers, I would do better to praise "Dogville." It takes more nerve to praise pop entertainment; it's easy and safe to deliver pious praise of turgid deep thinking. It's true, I loved "Anaconda" and did not think "The United States of Leland" worked, but does that mean I drool at the keyboard and prefer man-eating snakes to suburban despair? > Not at all. What it means is that the star rating system is relative, not absolute. When you ask a friend if "Hellboy" is any good, you're not asking if it's any good compared to "Mystic River," you're asking if it's any good compared to "The Punisher." And my answer would be, on a scale of one to four, if "Superman" (1978) is four, then "Hellboy" is three and "The Punisher" is two. In the same way, if "American Beauty" gets four stars, then "Leland" clocks in at about two. > And that is why "Shaolin Soccer," a goofy Hong Kong action comedy, gets three stars. It is piffle, yes, but superior piffle. If you are even considering going to see a movie where the players zoom 50 feet into the air and rotate freely in violation of everything Newton held sacred, then you do not want to know if I thought it was as good as "Lost in Translation."

draw_down 9y ago

This doesn’t say it’s impossible.

dahart 9y ago

The most damning counter is that the ocular focus problem is currently being solved. For example: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/uncross-those-eyes-researchers-solve-vrs-depth-of-focus-headaches/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/uncross-those-eyes-re... That was just a quick google search and I’m not familiar with that work specifically, but I am aware of other VR teams at the big tech giants and at universities that are actively making inroads. You’re absolutely right: this is an example of Clarke’s first law.

jasonwatkinspdx 9y ago
You're talking about VR headsets, not multi viewer screening rooms. The solutions appearing for VR cannot be adapted to the second geometric situation.
- dahart 9y ago
  You’re right that they are somewhat different, but presumptuous as I am talking about both. I am aware of work being done today that will have affects viewing 3D movies in theaters. The article here also didn’t distinguish between headsets and theaters, it incorrectly declared all 3D dead.
- jameslevy 9y ago
  Perhaps it will be the case within the span of the coming decade or two that multi viewer screening room experiences will consist of each viewer wearing some type of headset, in the process not requiring this additional solution and also freeing up theater design to go in entirely new directions that don't revolve around dozens or hundreds of seats facing a single large screen.
Spare_account 9y ago
HackerNews truncates the displayed part of lengthy URLs, so clicking your AMPified link was something of a gamble, not knowing which website I'd end up on. Here's the direct link for people that prefer it: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/uncross-those-eyes-researchers-solve-vrs-depth-of-focus-headaches/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/uncross-those-eyes-re...

whiddershins 9y ago

You have decent/good points ... Would there be a way to make them without so much emphasis on age? Not that I disagree that people do stereotypically get a bit more resistant to new stuff as they get older ... including myself ... but at least for me I find that it comes from a more nuanced place than what is implied with your repeated use of age as a synonym for the doubters, the lovers of the classic, the skeptics of the new ... Anyway, really, I don’t think your comment comes off the way you meant it. It feels a tiny bit aggressive/dismissive to me.

gt_ 9y ago

As a film editor, and admittedly a Walter Murch fanboy, I still partially agree with your argument. I think, however, Murch is getting at something deeper here that he needs to elaborate on. I'm an Ebert fan as well, but you're comparing a critic to an engineer. Real quick, this Citizen Kane bit is misleading. Welles's use of rack focus was noteworthy, but it was his use of deep focus that was the true wonder. It is much more noteworthy and famous, and possibly what you are meaning to refer to. It was a feat of engineering and lighting at the time, and not at all a paradigm shift as much as notch on the linear progression of film engineering. Murch really did write the book on film editing. In The Blink Of An Eye is a short and to-the-point text book on film editing, an offers a simple theory as to why it works, which can be figured by the title. The theory seemed too simple to me the way he explained it, but I've come to understand he essentially means that film cuts are not jolting because we are used to blinking. Whether he is correct or not, the nuance of this understanding would basically argue there is a threshold for which the jolt could be overridden by an evolved necessity for being able to blink (and possibly other similar less-than-linear occurances in optical living). Murch goes on, in the book, to apply this theory and he argues that elements such as narrative, beauty, concept and other cognitive intrigue can widen the threshold. All in all, he makes the what is probably the best argument so far for how and why the engineering of filmmaking magic works. His book is the seminal textbook on film editing and worshiped by filmmakers generation after generation for it's timeless truths, because these truths offer a simple way for filmmakers to make decisions in their craft. They don't encroach on any style or technical achievement. Despite the practical delivery, they are essentially theoretical psychology. He also pioneered digital editing. I don't believe Murch is immune to Clarke's first law, but he is no Ebert. Murch is no critic. He is an engineer, and while this post doesn't get into the specifics, his claims here are supported in his battle-tested texts.

gt_ 9y ago
EDIT: After posting, I realized that I might argue that it would make sense to me if Murch were to argue that editing doesn't work the same in 3D. And, I expect that wouldn't be much of a surprise to most of us. If that's the case, we could be losing something and gaining other things. That is not unheard of in the history of art and technology, and something we should probably all accept.

iheartstartup 9y ago

if you've read the article, you'll the discussion at hand was concerning stereoscopic 3d, not the fancy light field tech which may be around the corner, nor not.

sdenton4 9y ago

The essential problem with film is that it consists of many things off stool images blinking in and out of existence. Deciphering still images flashing at a rate of 24 per second is something that or brains have never had to contend with in millions of years of evolution. Film simply cannot work!

mruniverse 9y ago

So far he's right. It doesn't work now. It works better than the blue/red glasses, but that's not saying much. As for the "inability to solve this technological problem", that could be true. I don't think we can solve all technical problems. The opposite is saying we can solve all technical problems.

wpietri 9y ago
Yeah, given that this was written in January 2011, close to the peak of 3D hype, it seems spot on. 3D's best year was 2010, with 21% of US tickets sold. That's now down to 14% and dropping. I don't know anybody who insists on seeing films in 3D, but I have a number of friends who will flat-out refuse. And 3D TV is just dead. The best quote for me in this article comes at the end: "[...] if the film story has really gripped an audience they are "in" the picture in a kind of dreamlike 'spaceless' space. So a good story will give you more dimensionality than you can ever cope with." This seems exactly right to me. A captivating film already sucks you in. 3D just doesn't improve upon that for me.