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> The Jetbrains toolbox UI (and your downloader) do very little. That's true, but the argument was never about how complex applications are. It was about how t

> The Jetbrains toolbox UI (and your downloader) do very little. That's true, but the argument was never about how complex applications are. It was about how they look. If you want an `idea` how well a swing look and feel scales with the complexity of the application, look at the IntelliJ IDEs. Not to mention the irony of complaining about performance, when the promoted alternative is electron...

pvg 9y ago
Well, I don't think your app looks better than an Electron app, in fact, you've styled it in a very web-like fashion. The Blizzard app does not look good and its performance is vastly worse than most Electron apps I've tried, so the irony eludes me.
- rootlocus 9y ago
  > Well, I don't think your app looks better than an Electron app, in fact, you've styled it in a very web-like fashion Well, it wasn't about being "better", it was about not looking like shit. > The Blizzard app does not look good and its performance is vastly worse than most Electron apps I've tried, so the irony eludes me. Well, Visual Studio Code used to drain battery life for blinking the cursor in the background. But again, it was never about performance. My original argument was that newer 'native' applications written using Qt or swing can look just as good as web based UIs
  - pvg 9y ago
    Your argument was that Qt and Swing apps looking like shit 'could not be further than the truth'. Your counter-examples are a pair of apps that do next to nothing and a really bad app.
    - rootlocus 9y ago
      My argument is that it takes a few hours to make a look and feel for swing that mimics the appearance of modern electron apps. Also that Qt has plenty of styling power. Blizzard's app is a "really bad app" just because you have a personal problem against it. It works pretty well on my PC (0.5% CPU and 130Mb ram) and I think it looks pretty nice.
      - pvg 9y ago
        Lots of people dislike the Blizzard app but if you like the Blizzard app or spent 5 hours beating a single Swing frame into looking like a web app with questionable typography, we probably have very different (subjective) notions of what a decent-looking app is. What you did say is that Qt or Swing apps looking bad cannot be further from the truth. If that were the case, you should be able to rattle off dozens of beloved, beautiful, complex Qt or Swing apps. Most cross-platform UIs (including those based on Electron) look and behaves poopily. The few that don't are the result of exceptional effort and focus.
        sk5t 9y ago
        It looks like you're wasting your time arguing with a person who has not developed an appreciation for native, consistent, desktop applications.
        rootlocus 9y ago
        Consistent? Where? Windows changes its style with each version. Macs may be more consistent, but they're the exception and I never owned a mac. Linux is a rainbow of diversity. Unless someone puts in the extra effort to style the application, nothing will look consistent cross platform. And if you want "native, consistent, desktop applications" (for the current platform), Qt has that out of the box and Swing had a native look and feel that looked pretty consistent on Windows 7 at least.
        rootlocus 9y ago
        > questionable typography To be fair, I did change it a bit later to use Open Sans .

pvg 9y ago

Well, I don't think your app looks better than an Electron app, in fact, you've styled it in a very web-like fashion. The Blizzard app does not look good and its performance is vastly worse than most Electron apps I've tried, so the irony eludes me.

rootlocus 9y ago
> Well, I don't think your app looks better than an Electron app, in fact, you've styled it in a very web-like fashion Well, it wasn't about being "better", it was about not looking like shit. > The Blizzard app does not look good and its performance is vastly worse than most Electron apps I've tried, so the irony eludes me. Well, Visual Studio Code used to drain battery life for blinking the cursor in the background. But again, it was never about performance. My original argument was that newer 'native' applications written using Qt or swing can look just as good as web based UIs
- pvg 9y ago
  Your argument was that Qt and Swing apps looking like shit 'could not be further than the truth'. Your counter-examples are a pair of apps that do next to nothing and a really bad app.
  - rootlocus 9y ago
    My argument is that it takes a few hours to make a look and feel for swing that mimics the appearance of modern electron apps. Also that Qt has plenty of styling power. Blizzard's app is a "really bad app" just because you have a personal problem against it. It works pretty well on my PC (0.5% CPU and 130Mb ram) and I think it looks pretty nice.
    - pvg 9y ago
      Lots of people dislike the Blizzard app but if you like the Blizzard app or spent 5 hours beating a single Swing frame into looking like a web app with questionable typography, we probably have very different (subjective) notions of what a decent-looking app is. What you did say is that Qt or Swing apps looking bad cannot be further from the truth. If that were the case, you should be able to rattle off dozens of beloved, beautiful, complex Qt or Swing apps. Most cross-platform UIs (including those based on Electron) look and behaves poopily. The few that don't are the result of exceptional effort and focus.
      - sk5t 9y ago
        It looks like you're wasting your time arguing with a person who has not developed an appreciation for native, consistent, desktop applications.
        rootlocus 9y ago
        Consistent? Where? Windows changes its style with each version. Macs may be more consistent, but they're the exception and I never owned a mac. Linux is a rainbow of diversity. Unless someone puts in the extra effort to style the application, nothing will look consistent cross platform. And if you want "native, consistent, desktop applications" (for the current platform), Qt has that out of the box and Swing had a native look and feel that looked pretty consistent on Windows 7 at least.
      - rootlocus 9y ago
        > questionable typography To be fair, I did change it a bit later to use Open Sans .