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This isn't funny. Not only is CloudFlare's CEO scheming about going after the FCC chairman, but also those who live near him. This is the second time in recent

This isn't funny. Not only is CloudFlare's CEO scheming about going after the FCC chairman, but also those who live near him. This is the second time in recent memory that this guy has been worked up by his political feelings and saw his company as a tool to punish his opponents. As a CloudFlare user, this worries me. This is childish. Adults don't pull this crap.

Bud 9y ago
They do when the entire Internet is threatened. At least, I would. Perhaps I'm not an adult?
- leifaffles 9y ago
  "entire Internet is threatened"? The polite term for this is "concept creep". If the only way you can defend your position is by invoking apocalyptic rhetoric, you might want to pick another hill to die on. Regardless of your opinions on net neutrality, a roll back to 2015-era regulatory policy is not an extinction-level event. Obviously.
  - Bud 9y ago
    I respect your opinion. I disagree.
    - hitekker 9y ago
      On the plus side, you got him to reveal his distaste for net nuetrality, veiled in his “concern” over childishness. And now he’s suggesting violence. Ooph.
splitrocket 9y ago
What leads you to believe that this would affect anyone other than Ajit Pai? I think, though, a more effective strategy would be to throttle the entire congressional netblock.
Bud 9y ago
As an aside, this would bother me more if the only two opponents he's chosen so far were not: 1) Nazis, generally 2) Forces trying to literally dismantle the Internet as it has been known for decades These seem like extraordinary enemies against which extraordinary means are justified.
- leifaffles 9y ago
  If you really believed this overly dramatic "extraordinary enemies" and "extraordinary means" rhetoric, you'd be out there staging a defense of civilization instead of writing dumb comments on Hacker News.
  - intended 9y ago
    Hey just to set the record straight 1) He hosted nazi websites, without action even though it was reprehensible speech. 2) He dumped those clients, when they insinuated that Cloudflare was on their side. That makes it slander, and insinuation that Cloudflare is a Nazi Sympathiser. I would expect the CEO of such a firm to do something immediately to take care of his firms share holders and its reputation. He did just that, and improved its image as a result. How is that a problem? I would expect all firms to act like that, or be known as Nazi sympathisers.
    - leifaffles 9y ago
      I don't think CloudFlare improved its image as a result. We all agree Nazis are bad. No sane person thinks CloudFlare is pro-Nazi. Here's CEO Matthew Price in his own words: "Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet." The reaction at the time was the same as the reaction here: I'm glad this guy's against Nazis, but he picked a very infantile way to show it. People who run their businesses on CloudFlare get a little uneasy when they see a CEO randomly turning off websites because he "woke up in a bad mood".
      - 9y ago
Buttons840 9y ago
Yeah. There should be a rule against this. /s Seriously, this is just part of the "innovation" Ajit is promoting. There will be nothing to stop Comcast from throttling sites for political reasons. CloudFlare will not be the only one to shape internet traffic for personal gain.
- leifaffles 9y ago
  "People will do bad things if we don't have net neutrality regulations. Let's show them how it's done by doing bad things ourselves." In what whacky moral universe is this okay? Most parents smack this out of their kids by the time they're 4.
  - ethbro 9y ago
    It's not like the expectation is that his internet will be slowed down forever. I think it's perfectly fair, if legal under all current laws. "This is the future you want" doesn't sink in until your kids are bitching every day that YouTube is buffering.
    - leifaffles 9y ago
      If activists are willing to intentionally make the world worse to prove a point, then reasonable people start to wonder: "How much of the problem is real and how much of it is inflicted by activists who are willing to burn down the world in order to 'win'?"
      - Devasta 9y ago
        But most protests make things a bit worse while they are happening, even in relatively benign ways as disrupting traffic. If they don't disrupt the status quo in some way then they are hardly going to be noticed.
  - vidarh 9y ago
    I find it quite amazing that you question the morality of a temporary act of political demonstration against the agency responsible for setting rules directly related to the means of that political demonstration, and then suggest that parents should have violently abused their children to get any thoughts of such political demonstrations out of their heads. Frankly, if my son suggested a means of demonstration as outlined here, I'd reward him for it. If he suggested violence against kids was ok, on the other hand? He'd never hear the end of it.
Accacin 9y ago
> Not only is CloudFlare's CEO scheming about going after the FCC chairman, but also those who live near him. You got all this information from a one sentence Tweet? > As a CloudFlare user, this worries me. This is childish. Adults don't pull this crap. It's a form of peaceful protest. Was it childish when sites blacked themselves out to protest the web piracy bill? Were they abusing their powers too?
- hitekker 9y ago
  It’s a thinly veiled attack against net nuetrality. Don’t debate it on its face.
  - stephenr 9y ago
    It's intended to show the FCC Chairman how things might end up if he rolls back Net Neutrality.. The goal is to protect net neutrality by making a point personally with the FCC Chairman. I don't agree with the tactic, but I think you've misunderstood whats being talked about.

Bud 9y ago

They do when the entire Internet is threatened. At least, I would. Perhaps I'm not an adult?

leifaffles 9y ago
"entire Internet is threatened"? The polite term for this is "concept creep". If the only way you can defend your position is by invoking apocalyptic rhetoric, you might want to pick another hill to die on. Regardless of your opinions on net neutrality, a roll back to 2015-era regulatory policy is not an extinction-level event. Obviously.
- Bud 9y ago
  I respect your opinion. I disagree.
  - hitekker 9y ago
    On the plus side, you got him to reveal his distaste for net nuetrality, veiled in his “concern” over childishness. And now he’s suggesting violence. Ooph.

splitrocket 9y ago

What leads you to believe that this would affect anyone other than Ajit Pai? I think, though, a more effective strategy would be to throttle the entire congressional netblock.

Bud 9y ago

As an aside, this would bother me more if the only two opponents he's chosen so far were not: 1) Nazis, generally 2) Forces trying to literally dismantle the Internet as it has been known for decades These seem like extraordinary enemies against which extraordinary means are justified.

leifaffles 9y ago
If you really believed this overly dramatic "extraordinary enemies" and "extraordinary means" rhetoric, you'd be out there staging a defense of civilization instead of writing dumb comments on Hacker News.
- intended 9y ago
  Hey just to set the record straight 1) He hosted nazi websites, without action even though it was reprehensible speech. 2) He dumped those clients, when they insinuated that Cloudflare was on their side. That makes it slander, and insinuation that Cloudflare is a Nazi Sympathiser. I would expect the CEO of such a firm to do something immediately to take care of his firms share holders and its reputation. He did just that, and improved its image as a result. How is that a problem? I would expect all firms to act like that, or be known as Nazi sympathisers.
  - leifaffles 9y ago
    I don't think CloudFlare improved its image as a result. We all agree Nazis are bad. No sane person thinks CloudFlare is pro-Nazi. Here's CEO Matthew Price in his own words: "Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet." The reaction at the time was the same as the reaction here: I'm glad this guy's against Nazis, but he picked a very infantile way to show it. People who run their businesses on CloudFlare get a little uneasy when they see a CEO randomly turning off websites because he "woke up in a bad mood".
    - 9y ago

Buttons840 9y ago

Yeah. There should be a rule against this. /s Seriously, this is just part of the "innovation" Ajit is promoting. There will be nothing to stop Comcast from throttling sites for political reasons. CloudFlare will not be the only one to shape internet traffic for personal gain.

leifaffles 9y ago
"People will do bad things if we don't have net neutrality regulations. Let's show them how it's done by doing bad things ourselves." In what whacky moral universe is this okay? Most parents smack this out of their kids by the time they're 4.
- ethbro 9y ago
  It's not like the expectation is that his internet will be slowed down forever. I think it's perfectly fair, if legal under all current laws. "This is the future you want" doesn't sink in until your kids are bitching every day that YouTube is buffering.
  - leifaffles 9y ago
    If activists are willing to intentionally make the world worse to prove a point, then reasonable people start to wonder: "How much of the problem is real and how much of it is inflicted by activists who are willing to burn down the world in order to 'win'?"
    - Devasta 9y ago
      But most protests make things a bit worse while they are happening, even in relatively benign ways as disrupting traffic. If they don't disrupt the status quo in some way then they are hardly going to be noticed.
- vidarh 9y ago
  I find it quite amazing that you question the morality of a temporary act of political demonstration against the agency responsible for setting rules directly related to the means of that political demonstration, and then suggest that parents should have violently abused their children to get any thoughts of such political demonstrations out of their heads. Frankly, if my son suggested a means of demonstration as outlined here, I'd reward him for it. If he suggested violence against kids was ok, on the other hand? He'd never hear the end of it.

Accacin 9y ago

> Not only is CloudFlare's CEO scheming about going after the FCC chairman, but also those who live near him. You got all this information from a one sentence Tweet? > As a CloudFlare user, this worries me. This is childish. Adults don't pull this crap. It's a form of peaceful protest. Was it childish when sites blacked themselves out to protest the web piracy bill? Were they abusing their powers too?

hitekker 9y ago
It’s a thinly veiled attack against net nuetrality. Don’t debate it on its face.
- stephenr 9y ago
  It's intended to show the FCC Chairman how things might end up if he rolls back Net Neutrality.. The goal is to protect net neutrality by making a point personally with the FCC Chairman. I don't agree with the tactic, but I think you've misunderstood whats being talked about.