3 ms·

First of all. It is called Software engineering for a reason. Engineering means to handle big problems in a way they can be solved by a company in an efficient

First of all. It is called Software engineering for a reason. Engineering means to handle big problems in a way they can be solved by a company in an efficient way. Second, women earn 20% less in average, yes, but for the same position the earn the same as men. The problem is women in top positions. That is why companies don't go crazy to hire women because they are not cheaper (otherwise the company would be in a big legal problem). Said so, maybe the author would be happier working for smaller companies with smaller products where she can have a bigger impact on the final product. Even so, it is very unlikely a single programmer would be in charge of product specification, design and development. Those are very different things, and even in a small startup there are specific roles for those positions.

wyclif 9y ago
The problem is women in top positions. That is why companies don't go crazy to hire women because they are not cheaper That is not why women earn 20% less than men. It is because men work longer hours over longer periods of time than women do.
- Y7ZCQtNo39 9y ago
  Anecdotal, but my experience has been women working much harder than men. And I say that as a male.
- jorgemf 9y ago
  If you work longer hours that is your problem. You are paid to work a fixed amount of hours and the salary is linked to it, it doesn't matter what gender you are. So sorry to tell you but you sound like the typical guy women don't want to work with (neither me).
  - dang 9y ago
    This crosses into personal attack, which is not allowed here. Please don't do it again.
    - jorgemf 9y ago
      Please explain how is this a personal attack as it wasn't my intention. And how saying that women earn less because men work more is ok to say. And I am sorry to tell you but you supporting him saying those things and complaining about what I said is one of the reasons women are complaining so much about tech guys.
      - Chris2048 9y ago
        This is a personal attack: > you sound like the typical guy women don't want to work with You don't substantiate this claim with respect to why they "sounds like" this, what a "typical guy women don't want to work with" is, or why it matters in context to this thread - but decide to air this unflattering view anyway.
        jorgemf 9y ago
        I didn't ask you. So I am not sure you are telling me the correct answer. But I want to ask you something. How "That is not why women earn 20% less than men. It is because men work longer hours over longer periods of time than women do." is not disrespectful and how it was backed? Sorry but I cannot stand without doing anything with such claims, and it pisses me off that the mods here think my comment is a personal attack and the said claim (that is not supported by any reference and it is also false) can pass without problems.
        Chris2048 9y ago
        I can only offer a guess at what dang thought was a personal attack, but I can opine on what is a personal attack independently. There are different contexts in which different levels of evidence or backing might be supplied, but the first thing I noted is that you don't explain why the things you mention are relevant. "That is not why women earn 20% less than men", regardless of if it is true or false is clearly relevant to the discussion, but why is what someone "sounds like" relevant? Also, there is enough information in the above claim to search on it - or at least the claim can be refuted and thus begin an exchange of evidence. But your claim is about the character of the anonymous person you are talking to. Claims about a population of people, brought up in a relevant context is not disrespectful (possibly, depending on the legitimacy of the claims, but that is yet to be decided); Making remarks out of context about an individual is entirely different. > that is not supported by any reference and it is also false Who says it's false? Just say you don't believe the claim, and ask for evidence, or make a counter-claim of your own.

wyclif 9y ago

The problem is women in top positions. That is why companies don't go crazy to hire women because they are not cheaper That is not why women earn 20% less than men. It is because men work longer hours over longer periods of time than women do.

Y7ZCQtNo39 9y ago
Anecdotal, but my experience has been women working much harder than men. And I say that as a male.
jorgemf 9y ago
If you work longer hours that is your problem. You are paid to work a fixed amount of hours and the salary is linked to it, it doesn't matter what gender you are. So sorry to tell you but you sound like the typical guy women don't want to work with (neither me).
- dang 9y ago
  This crosses into personal attack, which is not allowed here. Please don't do it again.
  - jorgemf 9y ago
    Please explain how is this a personal attack as it wasn't my intention. And how saying that women earn less because men work more is ok to say. And I am sorry to tell you but you supporting him saying those things and complaining about what I said is one of the reasons women are complaining so much about tech guys.
    - Chris2048 9y ago
      This is a personal attack: > you sound like the typical guy women don't want to work with You don't substantiate this claim with respect to why they "sounds like" this, what a "typical guy women don't want to work with" is, or why it matters in context to this thread - but decide to air this unflattering view anyway.
      - jorgemf 9y ago
        I didn't ask you. So I am not sure you are telling me the correct answer. But I want to ask you something. How "That is not why women earn 20% less than men. It is because men work longer hours over longer periods of time than women do." is not disrespectful and how it was backed? Sorry but I cannot stand without doing anything with such claims, and it pisses me off that the mods here think my comment is a personal attack and the said claim (that is not supported by any reference and it is also false) can pass without problems.
        Chris2048 9y ago
        I can only offer a guess at what dang thought was a personal attack, but I can opine on what is a personal attack independently. There are different contexts in which different levels of evidence or backing might be supplied, but the first thing I noted is that you don't explain why the things you mention are relevant. "That is not why women earn 20% less than men", regardless of if it is true or false is clearly relevant to the discussion, but why is what someone "sounds like" relevant? Also, there is enough information in the above claim to search on it - or at least the claim can be refuted and thus begin an exchange of evidence. But your claim is about the character of the anonymous person you are talking to. Claims about a population of people, brought up in a relevant context is not disrespectful (possibly, depending on the legitimacy of the claims, but that is yet to be decided); Making remarks out of context about an individual is entirely different. > that is not supported by any reference and it is also false Who says it's false? Just say you don't believe the claim, and ask for evidence, or make a counter-claim of your own.