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> I just found out some guy who does the same work as me is getting paid 20% more. Yeah and there's probably some guy getting paid 20% less than you for the sa

> I just found out some guy who does the same work as me is getting paid 20% more. Yeah and there's probably some guy getting paid 20% less than you for the same job and some woman getting paid 100% for an easier job. Maybe it's best to quit software if you don't even understand basic statistics. This is a great profession which pays very well and has very flexible hours. Go shovel shit if you want. The author just doesn't seem to want to work. That is all.

sp4rki 9y ago
To make matters worse a lot of the times those situations are direct results of cultural and biological differences between the sexes. Every single woman I've ever heard negotiate a salary has done the research and tried for the market median. Most men ask for a bit above the median, but are willing to accept numbers under that. Men with stronger egos will, in general, start from the very top of the salary range and walk away if their ideas of self value are not entertained. I recently coached a fellow female coworker for a salary review. The main idea was that if she wanted the big raise, she needs a big ego. No one will give you a bunch of money if it doesn't look like you actually believe you're up there with the top performers. She actually got a couple of thousands more than the top number she had in mind. Now she eclipses all her male equivalents.
ssijak 9y ago
From my experience, people comparing wages like that (without any analysis) are just angry people who are not satisfied by anything. If you would gave him 20% raise, he would find something else to complain. In my company I would cut lose from such people immediately.
- cup-of-tea 9y ago
  I think so too. The disrespectful tone ("some guy") is very apparent in the article too.
Clubber 9y ago
It's all about getting the most out of the employer when you are negotiating coming on. The raises after that first salary are typically negligible, especially at large companies. Always ask for more when you first come onto a company, that's your baseline for the rest of the time you are there. I was on the left side of that bell curve until I learned that.
sctb 9y ago
This is not a civil or substantive comment. Could you please take a look at the guidelines and then follow them? We're trying to do better than drive-by personal attacks and dismissals here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- cup-of-tea 9y ago
  Please explain, in plain English, how this breaks the guidelines or how this is "not a civil or substantive comment".
  - sctb 9y ago
    > Maybe it's best to quit software if you don't even understand basic statistics. This is a personal attack, which is not civil according to the standards of this site. > Go shovel shit if you want. The author just doesn't seem to want to work. That is all. This is not a substantive statement.
    - cup-of-tea 9y ago
      Thanks for your explanation. But I think the point of my comment was that the article itself was neither civil nor substantive. Am I not allowed to make such a criticism?
      - sctb 9y ago
        That's all fine. Please make it within the guidelines.

sp4rki 9y ago

To make matters worse a lot of the times those situations are direct results of cultural and biological differences between the sexes. Every single woman I've ever heard negotiate a salary has done the research and tried for the market median. Most men ask for a bit above the median, but are willing to accept numbers under that. Men with stronger egos will, in general, start from the very top of the salary range and walk away if their ideas of self value are not entertained. I recently coached a fellow female coworker for a salary review. The main idea was that if she wanted the big raise, she needs a big ego. No one will give you a bunch of money if it doesn't look like you actually believe you're up there with the top performers. She actually got a couple of thousands more than the top number she had in mind. Now she eclipses all her male equivalents.

ssijak 9y ago

From my experience, people comparing wages like that (without any analysis) are just angry people who are not satisfied by anything. If you would gave him 20% raise, he would find something else to complain. In my company I would cut lose from such people immediately.

cup-of-tea 9y ago
I think so too. The disrespectful tone ("some guy") is very apparent in the article too.

Clubber 9y ago

It's all about getting the most out of the employer when you are negotiating coming on. The raises after that first salary are typically negligible, especially at large companies. Always ask for more when you first come onto a company, that's your baseline for the rest of the time you are there. I was on the left side of that bell curve until I learned that.

sctb 9y ago

This is not a civil or substantive comment. Could you please take a look at the guidelines and then follow them? We're trying to do better than drive-by personal attacks and dismissals here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

cup-of-tea 9y ago
Please explain, in plain English, how this breaks the guidelines or how this is "not a civil or substantive comment".
- sctb 9y ago
  > Maybe it's best to quit software if you don't even understand basic statistics. This is a personal attack, which is not civil according to the standards of this site. > Go shovel shit if you want. The author just doesn't seem to want to work. That is all. This is not a substantive statement.
  - cup-of-tea 9y ago
    Thanks for your explanation. But I think the point of my comment was that the article itself was neither civil nor substantive. Am I not allowed to make such a criticism?
    - sctb 9y ago
      That's all fine. Please make it within the guidelines.